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By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:20
There are laws in place to prevent betting companies from such practices.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 14:24
"In the event of any ambiguity over an official announcement, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official announcements before the market is settled."


There's your legal disclaimer.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:26
"reasonable discretion" wouldn't cut it.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:28
It would be like paying out for England as World Cup 2018 winners
By:
donny osmond
When: 27 May 19 14:29
resigning is not same as leaving post

she is resigning

we do not know if she is leaving post
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:31

May 27, 2019 -- 2:29PM, donny osmond wrote:


resigning is not same as leaving postshe is resigningwe do not know if she is leaving post


Exactly. Some think she is not leaving her post as leader in June, some do. The market is clear.

By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 14:32
1.01 Betfairs legal team would beg to differ.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:34

May 27, 2019 -- 2:32PM, LuckyAz wrote:


1.01 Betfairs legal team would beg to differ.


Maybe, maybe not.

By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 14:36

May 27, 2019 -- 2:26PM, Lifter wrote:


"reasonable discretion" wouldn't cut it.


In reply 1.01 Betfairs legal team would beg to differ.

By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:36
As would mine.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 14:40
Best of luck in suing them, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
By:
dave1357
When: 27 May 19 14:55
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/schedule/2

Consumer contract terms which may be regarded as unfair

.....

A term which has the object or effect of giving the trader the right to determine whether the goods, digital content or services supplied are in conformity with the contract, [b]or giving the trader the exclusive right to interpret any term of the contract.[/b]

.....
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 14:59
Just spoke with CS, who couldn't give me an answer. I also have screenshots of CS saying that a replacement isn't needed. Basically, they don't really know.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 15:03
I'll just side with common sense and the market rules on this one.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 15:05
They don't know, rightly or wrongly it's the traders who have called it as when a new party leader gets sworn it.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 15:07

May 27, 2019 -- 3:05PM, LuckyAz wrote:


They don't know, rightly or wrongly it's the traders who have called it as when a new party leader gets sworn it.


Have you spoken to a trader directly?

By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 15:14
Yes several times since Mays announcement on Friday they have been swamped with calls about this market & as nice as they are can only go by what they have been told by the traders upstairs.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 15:18
"We're aiming to update the market rules once more information has been obtained". I guess the traders are discussing what to do.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 15:27
Best advice I can give you Lifter is don't put anymore money into this market, I'm now in a winning position but the rules are a shambles & the best thing they should do is suspend the market until they are prepared to clarify on the forum what they deem to be an 'official leader' in this political context.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 15:31

May 27, 2019 -- 3:27PM, LuckyAz wrote:


Best advice I can give you Lifter is don't put anymore money into this market, I'm now in a winning position but the rules are a shambles & the best thing they should do is suspend the market until they are prepared to clarify on the forum what they deem to be an 'official leader' in this political context.


All the best to you too, LuckyAz.

By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 15:40
All the best to us all involved in this market. Crazy
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 May 19 18:33
This market has the potential to flip dramatically. All it would take is for the Conservatives to announce a temporary leader for the election period. I've speculated in a small way on this and will hold until we transition 7th June.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 May 19 18:36
What would be the point of a temporary party leader other than the PM? There's nothing to "do."
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 18:38
No chance of May being replaced when she's agreed to stay on the interim period remember she loves this country so she's not going anywhere until a replacement has been found.
By:
dave1357
When: 27 May 19 18:46
The country must have a PM, she would have to appoint a deputy if she stepped down.  The tory party doesn't require a leader, the chairman can cover for any leader's duties.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 18:53
She is remaining as PM until a replacement has been found yes, but the Tory leadership will likely be vacant.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 19:02
Not vacant until a replacement has been sworn in according to Befair, please trade wisely.
By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 19:24
According to a couple of confused staff is not according to Betfair.

I've been told that "Basically, the market will be settled once Theresa May officially ceases as the conservative leader", and that we don't need a replacement leader to settle. Which aligns with the market title of "EXIT Dates" and the market rules of "When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?". But yes, trade wisely, folks.
By:
dave1357
When: 27 May 19 19:44

May 27, 2019 -- 7:02PM, LuckyAz wrote:


Not vacant until a replacement has been sworn in according to Befair, please trade wisely.


Where is your source for a "swearing in" ceremony for either the PM or the leader.

By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 21:59

May 27, 2019 -- 7:44PM, dave1357 wrote:


May 27, 2019 --  7:02PM, LuckyAz wrote:Not vacant until a replacement has been sworn in according to Befair, please trade wisely.Where is your source for a "swearing in" ceremony for either the PM or the leader.


Betfair CS as advised by their traders today.

By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 22:29
They probably want to wait until there is a new leader before settling the market and paying out. But will suspend betting when May stands down in June. That's the only thing I can think of for a couple of CS saying that differing story.
By:
jucel69
When: 27 May 19 22:40
This thread is still going strongLaugh
By:
LuckyAz
When: 27 May 19 22:40

May 27, 2019 -- 10:29PM, Lifter wrote:


They probably want to wait until there is a new leader before settling the market and paying out. But will suspend betting when May stands down in June. That's the only thing I can think of for a couple of CS saying that differing story.


It doesn't matter what we think, all that matters it what Betfair thinks Lifter.

By:
jucel69
When: 27 May 19 22:41

May 27, 2019 -- 10:40PM, LuckyAz wrote:


May 27, 2019 -- 10:29PM, Lifter wrote:They probably want to wait until there is a new leader before settling the market and paying out. But will suspend betting when May stands down in June. That's the only thing I can think of for a couple of CS saying that differing story.It doesn't matter what we think, all that matters it what Betfair thinks Lifter.


I bet the person who 'decides' is making a few quid out of this!

By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 22:52

May 27, 2019 -- 10:40PM, LuckyAz wrote:


May 27, 2019 -- 10:29PM, Lifter wrote:They probably want to wait until there is a new leader before settling the market and paying out. But will suspend betting when May stands down in June. That's the only thing I can think of for a couple of CS saying that differing story.It doesn't matter what we think, all that matters it what Betfair thinks Lifter.


Thing is, "Betfair" have told me that the things "Betfair" have told you isn't true.

By:
Mr Myxlplyx
When: 27 May 19 23:00
https://conservativehome.blogs.com/files/snpc-01366-2-1.pdf

Leadership Elections: Conservative Party Standard Note: SN/PC/1366 Last updated: 7 December 2005 Author: Richard Kelly and Paul Lester Parliament and Constitution Centre

page 9/19

5. Timetable

When the position of Leader becomes vacant, Rule 1 of the procedure states that the Chairman of the 1922 Committee shall arrange for an election process to begin “as soon as practicable

I.e the timetable begins only when there is a vacancy. Present arrangements are identical in terms of this timetable.

If the position is vacant she has ceased to be (like the dead parrot above)

Yours in the law

Perry Mason

PS there must also a grave danger that any bets struck AFTER her intimation that she would be resigning etc. will be voided as betfair CS have involved themselves in 'clarifications' and these were not made available to all participants on the market thereby creating an uneven playing field.
By:
jucel69
When: 27 May 19 23:12

May 27, 2019 -- 11:00PM, Mr Myxlplyx wrote:


https://conservativehome.blogs.com/files/snpc-01366-2-1.pdfLeadership Elections: Conservative Party Standard Note: SN/PC/1366 Last updated: 7 December 2005 Author: Richard Kelly and Paul Lester Parliament and Constitution Centre page 9/195. Timetable When the position of Leader becomes vacant, Rule 1 of the procedure states that the Chairman of the 1922 Committee shall arrange for an election process to begin “as soon as practicableI.e the timetable begins only when there is a vacancy. Present arrangements are identical in terms of this timetable.If the position is vacant she has ceased to be (like the dead parrot above)Yours in the law Perry MasonPS there must also a grave danger that any bets struck AFTER her intimation that she would be resigning etc. will be voided as betfair CS have involved themselves in 'clarifications' and these were not made available to all participants on the market thereby creating an uneven playing field.


BF don't give a fcuk about that, they do what they want.

By:
Lifter
When: 27 May 19 23:14
To be fair, that clarifies about 80% of the debate in this thread.
By:
LuckyAz
When: 28 May 19 00:00
"BF don't give a fcuk about that, they do what they want."

To be fair that clarifies 100% of the debatate on this this thread, we're no longer betting on common sense but on Belfair's interpretation of common sense, please continue to trade wisely. Crazy
By:
Lifter
When: 28 May 19 00:28
No, there was a big discussion, with many of the opinion that May won't actually step down in June, that she would continue. I'm betting against that theory under the "When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party" market. Others are betting she will stay on as leader until a new one is chosen.
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