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tried to place a bet today and was told win only as it was a bad each way race for the firm,how do you get a list of these races?
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There isnt a list.Just when the place represents some value.
Any bookmaker refusing your bet should have their license removed.It disgusting and makes them look worse than bad money lenders. |
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you can't get a list but most are obvious..odds on fav...20/1 bar 3....plenty of 66/1 chances...exactly eight runners etc.
i presume you were on course..shop arround as every book is not win only |
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how much you ask for ?
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yeah I shopped around and got there in the end,most of the English firms werent interested,couple of Irish ones were and I got the bet on,horse was placed and I wouldnt have got a cent back had I gone win only
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Yeh shop around on course and your 6/1 shot will be 7/2 with the ew books most of whom will be 1/6th odds
Come racing Cmon adge I understand you need to eat but you are making a terrible point there. |
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asked for 150 each way at 5/1 but never occurred to me they would refuse place part of bet
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the rule of thumb is simple , JOKER , never bet with books who go one sixth on those or future races . stay with those who use each way as a lossleader. yes , like myself.
i only shorten the odds when it gets below 90%. not as bad as some like to make out you know. |
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Adge I understand you guys have to eat maye but let us not forget...unlike on here you HAVE to have the win part which makes it so much less snydy
The ew wrongun rarely wins the race ime |
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yes , i know the argument
but the easy way to do what you want is to lay back the win part on here the amount that costs is far outweighed by the much bigger place price you are left with. |
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The ew wrongun rarely wins the race ime
Thats quite wrong actually. There is a couple of us that go around on betting these races, we only do it in shops these days hence our online accounts being restricted closed down etc. Put it this way, the e/way wrong un wins enough times for it to be mighty profitable to only back them.  |
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You can get a list if you can find a friendly shop manager. All firms have a list on the manager's screen which shows bad/careful ew races and the amount of stake to take on singles/multiples before ringing up for authorisation.
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seasthestars if enough of them win,why are you bothering backing them ew, it must be worse than 1 in 6 winning or you wouldnt be backing them ew,why not double the win stake and forget the ew,you are in effective halving your winnings
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cos its the place part thats m ost profitable long run.
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we are talking snider 9 to 2 ,5 to 1 shots here so the profit is negligable,and they dont all place,and he says enough of them win,so if out of 5 , 1 doesnt place and 1 wins,you are saving your stake or losing a little on the 3 that the bet is intended for,
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Not only eight horse races, mind. There were six runners in Wilfred Pickles' race yesterday and I think it was 12/1 bar one. The place odds about the second were 25/1.
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i'm in bermuda , china147 , and i can tell you it's a darn sight more expensive than spain.
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The shops get told well in advance, get onside with one of the workers and they will tell you.
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why would anybody need to be told what races are dodgy each way.
3 year old kid could sort em out in 1 minute using the beano or dandy |
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if you need to be told what the bad ew races are then imo you are not the type of punter likely to be disciplined enough to stick to those races
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You just look on Betfair, where the place market will show the true odds of the selection getting in the frame. No special knowledge needed.
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thought betfair just reflected one mans opinion against another,your good eachway shot is another mans lay,
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Races with 5 or 6 runners, 8 runners is perfect but no more than 10, 12 runner handicaps are perfect as then the place part goes to 1/4 and not 1/5th, maybe 13 runners but not more than 14 and sometimes 16+ runner handicaps are good also.
E.g, 5 runner race, market is: 4/9, 4/1, 12/1 33/1 33/1. The 4/1er just has to be backed e.way as it is a nice bet to nothing more often than not, in a market such as this, you are getting 1/4 odds from a bookmaker so the place odds are always going to be 1/1, though looking on the place only market on betfair then this selection is going to be around the 1/2 - 4/9 area so if you really wanted to, a place lay of the selection to your whole stake with the bookmaker is viable (win and place), money back when 2nd or if unplaced (though possibly a small loss of commission if you pay the full 5%), profit when winning. Also, what quite often happens in these sorts of markets is the (depending on market vibes on betfair) that 4/1er can touch 9/2 for a few seconds, this is where a mobile phone with betfair.mobile can come in handy if sitting in a shop. The easy way to recognise which are bad e/way races is to keep an eye on betfair's place only markets. Look at the odds on offer with the bookmaker and place terms and if the betfair price is less than that being offered by the bookmaker then this is a bad e.way race. The above is an example. It works more often than you might think! [;)] |
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go to tipsterform.com. press the box marked strategy.read the section what is a value bet.
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In fact with my example above, and just to probably confuse you a bit more, the 12/1 in that mythical race would have to be backed to the same rules as the 4/1er. The place market on bf would reflect that horses true chance of placing also, where as the fav would be between 1.15 and 1.2 in the place only, the 2nd fav would be between 1.4 and 1.5 the 12/1er will likely be around 2.04 - 2.2 therefore giving another chance to back win and e/way with a bookmaker and laying the whole stake off on bf!
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Seathestars,if your 4/1 shot gets placed ,and you have had £50 e.w.,you get a return of "£100 for a £100 outlay.If it is 1.5 to place on here and I have the same £100 stake I win £50 if it is placed,without having to worry about whether it wins or not.
Just pointing out that a place book is just that AND NOT 1/4 of the win book. |
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Yes, but my demonstration just shows a just in case approach as what then happens if that 4/1er is unplaced, you lose your £100 outlay. But of course you are not trying to lay it or back it as you put at 1.5, any odds under 1.5 in my example is a profit.
£50 e/way = £100 outlay @ 4/1 placed = £100 back, unplaced = 0-00, therefore loss of £100. WIN = £400 + £100 place part = £500 return. £105 lay @ 1.45 above selection = liability of £47.25, therefore unplaced = -0.15p (commission 5%) placed = profit of £2.75 win = +£452.75. Not sure about my maths here now lads, got myself a bit confused.[:x] Although i back these races regular i never lay off myself but i have been told in the past from people who do and not sure now about them sums  . Just to show myself up even more lol.[:x] |
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placed ,,, think your going to lose £47.25
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correct pete
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floored logic there m8
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bad each way race value is better in multiples....write off the win side of the bet and hedge on the place.. the win is very difficult to lay due to the nature of the on course market being extreemly shorter than the exchanges. any on course books have the option to bet win only even under the gold flag scheme so the sp selection is chosen accordingly. trebles and fourfolds would be a profitable bet longterm providing the bad aech way are available.. bank holidays and sundays normally good. of course if a miracle happens and you get the first three winners in four selections lay lay lay as lads shorten sp.
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Whatever became of that Mr "somebody" who organised this sort of thing big time? He recruited helpers from this forum along with the ex-bookie Cubone.
They went for a long time without the required big hit. it seemed to hinge on these so-called filthy EW races. |
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Think they drowned in spam
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Another day another new betfair account.
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who is it fawwon
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Have found it quite easy to get if you go to town..... and these new self service tills are great!! let me have £100 each way STORTING at Ponte @ 3/1 and the same on DIME A DOZEN ar Tramore @ 100/30.....happy days!!!!!
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Now a marked customer and reported to nearest PCSO of your activity.
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^^ nice bit of aftertiming
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