If so, there is still a chance Churchill might run there then. But 1st secure a comprehensive win in the 2000G 1st,...the rest a bonus.

There is more chance of Capri winning the Derby than Churchill running in the Dante (assuming he runs in the Guineas). O'Brien enters everything n everything, just in case. He'll probably be put into the Nunthorpe.

dream castle

I hope War Decree runs very well in the Craven tomorrow and then runs here and not in France.

AOB had 7 in last year's Epsom Derby, and Capri and Yucatan will be amongst his lot this year, I firmly believe; at 40 here the former is a stonking price, all being well; he may not win but value aplenty, in my opinion, thus one for my portfolio.

War Decree obviously the rightful fav today on past form but I don't see any value in the price. I have him a good 10-12lbs short of recent Guineas winning standard and I'm hoping one of the unexposed runners can put up something better.

A poor run by War Decree...not trained on perhaps.

Still no AOB at Newmarket today.

I think, unless there is a valid reason for the dismal performance of War Decree today it is very unlikely he'll be France bound; Caravaggio and Whitecliffsofdover, the most likely candidates I'd expect.

a Godolphin purchase enough to finish any chance it might have had

Churchill on the drift. Not what you'd expect with the lack of competition seen so far.

Orderofthegarter

I think from a perceived Coolmore standpoint the impressive Craven Stakes trial win by Eminent puts a whole new perspective on the 2,000 Guineas, as now Frankel has without doubt a real contender for the first colts Classic.

It must have been quite jittery for the Coolmore elite having to witness the relentless Frankel offspring in the limelight alongside sparkling end of year statistics of more two-year-old Group winners (6) by the end of his first season than any other European sire since 1990 and 14.6% Group winners to runners.

Remembering it took Sadler's Wells forever and a day before he sired Entrepreneur, his first 2,000 Guineas winner in 1997 (seven years after Salsabil, his first British Classic winner in the fillies equivalent), and Galileo had five crops before Frankel become his first winner of the 2,000 Guineas; if anything I can see John Magnier’s Galileo clock doing half hour in twenty minutes while pondering the Coolmore replacement conveyor belt of Australia, Gleneagles and The Gurkha, along with the thought of Frankel becoming the sire of an English 2000 Guineas winner from his first Classic-year crop, as it would herald the second coming of Frankel as the heir apparent to his talismanic sire Galileo. I could imagine thereafter, Mr Magnier having relentless nightmares of skeletal warriors battering down Coolmore stable doors with the words "Against the children of the Frankel’s (Hydra's) Teeth, there is no protection!"

Funnily enough looking back to the Aidan O'Brien “Plan A” statement, it was situated straight after Orderofthegarter had won the Leopardstown 2,000 Guineas Trial Stakes.

“He could be an Irish Guineas horse, and he goes on any ground. At the moment we are looking at running Churchill at Newmarket and Caravaggio in France. That is Plan A, but things can always change.”

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2017/0408/866353-orderofthegarter-shows-promise-on-trials-day/

Following on in the ATR Stable tour- “We are looking at the Irish 2,000 Guineas for him, but we aren’t sure whether he’ll have a run in between now and then. He’s a very solid, hardy, well-made, powerful and mature horse. He’s not a big horse, but he’s strong and has a good mind. What he’s done so far this year hasn’t been a big surprise, as we always thought he was nice. I think he’ll be fine on good ground and he might get a mile-and-a-quarter.”

It will be 7 weeks from the Leopardstown trial on April 8th to Irish 2,000 Guineas on May 27th, obviously there is the Poule d’Essai des Poulains on the 14th May but as there is still a Supplementary Stage on the 1st May at the Confirmation Of Entry Stage for the English 2,000 Guineas, I’m beginning to think on the grounds that Coolmore will seek to protect “their” Galileo lineage there is now a reasonable possibility Orderofthegarter may turn up here from under the radar and thereby, certainly worth a punt at odds of over a 100.

7/4 on here.  Not much liquidity mind you.

nothing too exciting seems to have come out of the English trials. Eminent looks like he needs further. As a horse who hasn't raced for 6 months Churchill is too short for me. Al Wukair looks like a good one though.

I thought War Decree was going to be a good
one this year but was stuffed just like the
one in the Greenham today.Stable had a reversal
in the Ballysax Stks aswell.Unless you're on Churchill
AP @big odds think 6/4 looks well short.

Got to be with Barney roy,after today.

Don't see why anyone would be surprised that Churchill is on the drift slightly.

The trials have thrown up 3 horses (Al Wukair, Eminent and Barney Roy) that were pretty much unconsidered in the market at the turn of the year 2nd, 3rd and 4th favourite.

War Decree reared at the gates so we can forget that run. And besides I've never bought into the whole looking at form of other horses from the same stable argument. Unless you're talking about a virus, there's no logic in it. Nobody knows at this stage how good Churchill is compared to the other 3 yr olds. Backers or layers are just speculating whether he is another Gleneagles or just another Air Force Blue.

War Decree did not run his race in the Craven for whatever reason; his price (here) suggests an unlikely runner, but only 12/1 in the French equivalent with Caravaggio the 7/2 fav.

Barney Roy, how did his performance in the Greenham compare to Eminent in the Craven? The former had very limited form and beat horse of the same, however, the latter did beat Revit who had solid form prior. And with both at about 5/1, I think I'd have Eminent over Barney Roy. But I'd still have Churchill and Al Wukair at 2/1 and 4/1 respectively given their more solid performances last season and this so far.

Oh, and just to further show my age, Nick Mordin acolytes of days-gone-by (myself included) will remember his 'system' of the best-looking colt wins the Guineas.

I confess that paddock judge I am not. Nevertheless, my dodgy minces would probably award that prize to Dream Castle. However, I've always preferred ugly & fast over pretty & slow, so I'll stick with Barney!  Good luck.

Three War Front colts, two by Frankel.
Churchill by Galileo, the only colt by a sire who has sired a previous winner (Galileo sired Frankel and Gleneagles)