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Horse Antepost
Epsom DERBY 2016
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Despite conflicts of opinion from frankie and gosden and negative comments from plenty of others here, WOD runs. I'm happy to be proven wrong as WOD strikes me as complete non Epsom type, and WOD really must be the 'freak' gosden has been ranting about..
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Wings of Desire should place and win the Leger
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I will be utterly astounded if Ulysses is beaten, he looks a completely different class of animal to the others.
Wings of Desire should place, Moonlight Magic and Cloth Of Stars look quite similar, neither should be good enough to win. For all the talk of openness, the top 3 in the betting will finish 1-2-3 1. Ulysses 11/2 2. Us Army Ranger 11/4 fav 3. Wings Of Desire 9/2 |
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Us Army Ranger will be 11/4 fav only if aob says he's the best three year old he has ever trained
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I will be astounded if Ulysses wins.A horse that wins it's maiden at the third attempt wont win a Derby
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Oath
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*bends not Ends
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Never realised he wasnt trained by Henry for his debut Figgis.
Anyway i hope Harmonica Phils right and Oneyall isnt as Ulysess is the only loser in the book now Minding and The Gurkha have been taken out. Best Derby market in many /many years for me. |
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GIG, I've spent all day at the track (a stone's throw from you). It never once looked like raining and it's not forecast to rain all week apart from drizzle tomorrow morning.
But best of luck ramping rain if you need to lay off your Harzand bet mate. |
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you serious??? look at the frickin clouds! I know in the forecast it says 0% chance of rain, but look at the clouds!
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I'm looking at them right now GIG. The clouds are definitely, erm, cloudy yes.
Have you actually been outside today?!? |
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Well I'll send you some photos if you want. lol. Cloudy , dark and gloom. Imp123 could tell you that. NEver seen an iota of sunlight today.
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been out once to hang the clothes, was quite blusty. lucky no rain.
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You don't need to send me any pics from Banstead old boy. Like I said I was at the racecourse (in Epsom where they run the Derby).
Your brief sojourn outside did highlight one thing though - it's definitely windy. Can we agree on windy, cloudy and no ****g chance of any appreciable rain?! |
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The Headmaster- You do crack me up sometimes, and definitely when it is required.
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You are most welcome to come down to Banstead / Croydon area. You can direct message me...etc...for proof..but only if you want. however I'm not a big fish like yourself so you probably won't be wasting any of yr precious time over here. lol. Well the forecast said it wonl;t rain today, but it probably just might
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Are you staying at hotel or do you live in Epsom?
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Here we go, The Madhu has resurfaced!
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Teenoso had a few runs before he won a race.
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the thread has gone bipolar again
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whaahay. sunshine coming from the north!!
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I'm 20 mins-ish from Tattenham Corner on the rattler mate. Fancied a walk and a pint and one of my little uns loves a train ride...where else would one head during Derby week?!
 Tell you something else too - I stuck it on the line and didn't pack his rain mac (because it's not going to rain)....does that make me Bad Dad?!? (Was definitely cloudy but he's alright with clouds as long as you give him a stick to poke the horse poo with) |
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Never realised he wasnt trained by Henry for his debut Figgis
I'd completely forgotten that too, geoff. |
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well the sun just came out briefly for 5 mins then a black cloud just came by from the north. lol. as long as yr rinsing the bookies on derby day and giving back to provide for yr kids, I suppose that makes you a good dad.
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Any views on the draw?
Assuming a couple of the AOB horses and possibly Harzand come out, perhaps looking at a field of around 15? Looking at the four Oaks with similar sized fields over last 10 years and Sir Percy's Derby only one of 15 win and placed horses drawn low - obviously much too small a sample size to be dogmatic but can see draw becoming a topic of conversation post Thursday. Jockeyship could become a premium factor too, hope we're not looking at a couple of hard luck stories come Saturday evening. |
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It's already getting some action on Twitter, RH. Some look at the stats on those draw low and panic. Others delving deeper and suggesting those horses were pants anyway.
Does beg the question, can anyone think of a horse drawn 1 or 2 that got stuffed (because of the draw) and went on to prove himself the best horse? |
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(Madhu, Harry..
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draw isn;t massively significant. The big question is, which AOB runner will become the hare?
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Idaho followed by Beacon Rock (if he runs).
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i thought Idaho was a hold up horse?
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Would have thought Shogun with its natural 1 mile speed would try and set up a scorching pace to 4f out.
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ReaseHeath- We need to hope our key statistician Kinscem gets on the case with that one concerning the draw.
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* Kincsem- my apologies.
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Clerk of the course Andrew Cooper is waiting to see how much rain falls in the next 24 hours before thinking whether or not to water the track.
"I'd call it the fast side of good ground. It's good, with good to firm places, he said. We've got some rain forecast over the next 24 hours. I don't think we'll see anything until four or five o'clock Tuesday morning with the risk of rain all through the morning. The forecasts are suggesting we'll see about five millimetres or maybe a bit more. Rain would be welcome after being dry for a week. The outlook for Wednesday and Thursday is to some to degree unsettled but with no real likelihood of either day yielding much in the way of rain, but with the risk of scattered showers. It looks more settled towards the end of the week - cloudy, a bit overcast with temperatures climbing back up towards the late teens. As for watering, we'll see what happens in the next 24 hours. I think that will be key as to how we end up. We are likely to be in the five to 10 millimetres territory. If we start the meeting at, or near, good, that would be great. Ideally, I'd say I'd probably run the Derby on ground similar to what we are now." |
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ah, that's right - think his stats take a holistic approach to the race in question, can remember him putting me right when I got confused on one of these threads regarding the reversal of the right handed draw numbers a few years back...
Mind, I'm easily confused - still trying to figure out the significance of GIG putting his washing out earlier today |
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