Zilzal1, on another post I have said I like a couple in the race, BUT all dependant of a run. SNA will I feel win if he runs, but I also like ARCANO and Awzaan. Both according to the forum experts unlikely to stay. But at this early stage my few pence will be on these two. until SNA confirmed for race that is.

zilzal1, I think it would be unwise to write off the Prix Morny form. It's true that Richard Hannon believes that Canford Cliffs did not run to his best in the Morny, but that is just his opinion, and Arcano can't be bad to have beaten the champion two-year-old filly Special Duty, who went on to win the Cheveley Park so impressively.

James, im not writing it off totally, its the risk reward scenario-if the form is right then the current status where Special Duty is a shortish price and Arcano is right up with the market is true then you have 7/2 and 10-1 shots respectively.
Im taking a view with maybe a higher risk , but with more reward as my fancies would be 10-1 and 25-1

Special Duty does have a favourites chance, i just felt that in the Rockfel(as in the Dewhurst) the rail was not the place to be, and as Hills had her in front long enough on ground that imo, was slower than ideal for her. The Oh So Sharp stakes was boosted by the runner up as well.

on my figs, Tabassum ran a 6lbs quicker time when beaten in the Rockfel compared to the Oh So Sharp. Maybe she was just beaten by better horses?

And does what you sya above mean you like the Channon thing?

yes, ben, top of the fillies tree with me. Not sure about the trip as plenty of speed, but huge respect for the trainer.

(Thought Lady Of The Desert nowhere near her Lowther form at Newmarket)

Don't have Spec Duty well clear of her division though, and possible that a few will improve past her despite being lightly raced as well.

Guess would have to be impressed with Music Show, only defeat when no chance with the draw, wouldn't put anyyone off

Cheers for the thoughts Pedro, good luck.

True but certain trainers are better than others

Absolutely, and in Criquette Head-Marek she is in safe hands. Same goes for the 2000 in my opinion. Some trainers just dont seem capable of getting one 100% for a group race first time out. I have reservations about B.Meehan and Gosden always.

Lads now 2-1 SNA for the Guineas, Steinbeck on 10s. For those that follow the path of the magic sign that is about as conclusive a statement on the current set of affairs at Ballydoyle as you can get, isn't it? Imo, they will run a bunch (SNA, Steinbeck, Fencing Master, Cape Blanco) to see where they all fit and Steinbeck looks one for the St James's Palace if he comes good. Like one or two on here, I also very much like Cape Blanco- he has a great 2yo profile and he could turn out to be the second best this term..

Agree, think he is aimed at the race, I said earlier in the thread I thought they got that wrong ;)

Now they have added him I would assume they have changed their view whether that be based on new information/not.

Canford Cliffs will be his biggest danger if he stays and Steinbeck imo if he improves as much out of the Dewhurst as you might expect.

Laddies, just got fed up with people phoning up to get a price on SNA for guineas, simple as that.True they dont want to be against him should he turn up. If they knew for sure it was his intended race, would they not push the others out a point or to to try to get them?
after all SNA at 2-1 takes a big chunk out of the book.

Kirk, I have no doubt they think he will win. If they have information saying he is targeted at the race, why dont they get money in the book by offering slightly bigger odds on some of the other horses.
After all its about oppinions, why not lay 12-1 steinbeck or go longer on some of the others?

true. but there has hardly been a move for SNA even at 4-1 and 7-2 on betfair, he has only attracted 25k at those prices hardly a forune. my guess is the bookies havnt taken a been for him either.
sure they want him to run and win, assuming they take good money for the others and dont see a real gamble develope on SNA. A real gamble would see him start 7/4 or shorter on guinease day without the benifit of a run prior to the guineas.

Given that most posters seem to think Laddies are the magic sign and this is the steinbeck thread. Are none of you a little concerned that they are giving shorter prices than there rival bookmakers on 3 of the 5 principals whilst steinbeck and cape blanco are at general market odds.

Two of them who are particularly different are SNA 2-1 compared to 3-1 and Beethoven 20's compared to 33's widely available.

allways get these supposed key market moves for the classics.
Basically books trying to stimulate a bit of interest in markets that have died a death over the winter with all the focus on Cheltenham.
Doubt any of the classic fancied horses have even come off the bridle yet.
Witness the racecourse gallops Obrien gives his "stars" @ the end of March just a steady canter round.
Lets face it high st books probably wont have taken a bean for Canford over the winter but trim from 12s to 8s with a positive spin & you then pull in the mugs who didnt want to take 12s the day previously but are quite happy to jump in @ 8s on the back of a "supposed" market move.

... by the way they never specifically said SNA would be aimed at the Guineas ... Freudian slip there imo ;)

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Straight after the Racing Post Trophy Aidan O'Brien confirmed that the Guineas would be on SNA's agenda: "He's one of those horses who is bred to stay, but who has speed. We'll be looking at the Guineas and all the Classics." He didn't say that the horse would be 'aimed' at the Guineas, it's true, but then again he rarely says that any horse is being aimed at any specific race until much closer to the date of the race. On the following Monday Aidan said: "He came out of Saturday's race well and he is fine. He wouldn't have any problem with the Guineas trip depending on what his owners want to do. He is a very classy horse as he showed at Doncaster and all the options will be open to him next year. When the spring comes we will have the Classics in mind for the better horses and that is when the decisions will be made." I get the impression from those comments that Aidan is keen to run SNA in the Guineas, but the final say will belong to the owners.