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09 Jan 10
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In the last week Steinbeck has been nibbled at in the 2000 Guineas market ... both Laddies and Billies shortened him up. Could any plans be forming at Ballydoyle? Laddies in particular are not quoting for St Nick unless you ring for a price ... mmm.
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Nothing sinister in that.
Pretty obvious that St Nicholas Abbey won't run in the 2000 Guineas and Steinbeck is likely to be their choice. |
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Probably because most racing has been off for the last week and people have been backing ante post instead??
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Got a SJames sports preview today, and they are tipping Steinbeck for the 2000G. Notice that SJ are the shortest at 9-1.
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12-1 still available with 4 firms , and one of those wont let you put more than £50 on.
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zilzal1 spot on
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It is no secret how much ballydoyle rate this horse and expect it to perform way above the level of form it has shown so far.
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I get the impression that they rate St Nicholas Abbey even more highly than Steinbeck, and I'll be surprised if they don't run SNA in a Guineas (English or French), as he has loads of pace and a terrific turn of foot.
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As for Laddies, I suspect that the reason they're not quoting SNA for the Guineas (except on request) is simply because they don't want to lay him - if they wanted to 'get' him they'd be quoting him in their list.
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Dont agree with you there think they are the most honest firm with regards to including runners and not including who they perceive to be non runners.
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Wonder why someone just doesnt e mail Laddies to ask them?
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Ladbrokes are in the know, always watch their moves. Incidentally Cape Blanco will figure at the head of the market come May.
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Laddies are the ONLY firm other than Ch@ndlers to not include another Ballydoyle horse in a Classic, Lillie Langtry in the 1000 Guineas. Now where following the 'trying to get a non runner logic' does this fit in especially where Special Duty looks a good thing?
St Nick backers need to be worried imo. |
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Are all the other firms as honest over Lillie Langtry as Laddies and Ch@ndlers?
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If Laddies want to get a runner they go 10/1 Voy Por Ustedes the Ryanair.
If they dont want to take much liability they quote but shorter than others as seem to remember they did with George Washington. |
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Laddies go only 2/1 St Nick the Derby (4/14 bookies quote 2s the rest higher) where most go 9/4, 5/2 for example as they dont want liabilities for that unless they are short priced.
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Why not just concentrate on your own opinions and evaluation of the form and stop worrying about what the big firms "know"?
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Do you like backing potential non runners antepost ? ... totally relevant to an antepost forum.
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Every ante-post bet has to include an element of assessing how likely a horse is to show up. Taking into account the vagaries of going, potential alternative targets and connections giving mis-leading information in the racing press the question of whether or not any firm does or does not quote a horse or takes a slightly different view from the herd is barely on my radar. Far more important factors to consider.
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Following the same logic if they think St Nick will run and win the Derby why dont they remove him from their lists so they dont lay him instead of going shortest if they think he is a good thing (as people are claiming is the reason they dont quote him the 2000 Guineas)?
Logically and on all evidence above they genuinely dont think he will run in the 2000 Guineas. |
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I would say in my opinion, that laddies get it right more times than they are wrong and it would be a consideration if I was backing him now.
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Kirk, you're obviously desperate for Steinbeck to run at Newmarket but why not just wait and see what happens?
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Augustine Steinbeck will run at Newmarket as he is a miler definitely not a stayer .. it is a question of whether St Nick runs as well.
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Aiden has said Steinbeck will be aimed at the Guineas.
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Kirky speculating ;)
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Clearly not trying to influence connections ;) :D
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must have got a big price imo :)
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Come on Steinbeck ;)
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It is and always has been Steinbeck's target, I play fair ;)
However it is not a definite target of St Nick. |
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On balance kirk I think they'll let him take his chance in the race as his prep for Epsom.
I recall the comments of Michael Tabor as last season closed out. |
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Think they will see how he measures up against the milers at home before deciding as the Dewhurst they have a tremendous yardstick.
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Steinbeck and Fencing Master nailed on for the Guineas kirk, Beethoven to be fair they should let him take his chance too.
St Nicholas Abbey and Jan Vermeer they could send to Epsom via other routes - the Derrinstown and Dante for example. I think you're right in terms of them looking at SNA and how fit he is early season. Having watched him as a 2YO he clearly has enough speed to win a Guineas, but I'd love to see Steinbeck win it for his father who was, imo, a truly superb Guineas winner. |
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SOF, do you fancy anything for the Boat Race this year??? ;-)
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33/1 its called off due to the Thames being completely frozen zilzal ;)
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Steinbeck my first choice but everyone forgets about Cape Blanco :(
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Apart from the Sesame Street guy who I've never sene before :p
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*scene
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*seen ffs confusing myself
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ben a general request here from the majority of the Forum - can you try and sober up a bit before you post on here please. Thanks ;)
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Sorry that was all over the place, didn't check the thread properly in the first place, my spelling is by and large good I feel too! What do you reckon to Cape Blanco then? Not been over faced but I think on decent ground he's a player with scope for the future on breeding as well as form.
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