PP,
What price you reckon someone would have to lay United at top 6 pre sesason once the market is up and running.?

2/1 Liverpool to win it is not good, the first thing anyone should be doing when considering backing Liverpool for the league is to assume that Salah is going to regress and then consider what price they should be.

Liverpool 21/10
Arsenal 5/2
City 11/4
Newcastle 16/1
Chelsea 20/1
United 33/1

Gut feeling is that City would be the best value out of the front 3, the worst price there is clearly Newcastle who have reached their limit and can't improve past where they are currently 16/s is horrible, neutrals would clearly be interested in both Chelsea and United because there is a possible route to big improvement that could make a mockery of their original price and provide a big trading opportunity.

city have 13 points to make up on liverpool who did not win any of last 4 coz they had already won it. they also had 17 plus gd on them

cant see them being value at all given liverpool will improve through good recruitment and selling strategy.. 9/4 liverpool is defo the bet at this stage along with lays of city and gooners at the prices.

point about salah is pure conjecture and total bollocks .... he may even improve.

Half point removes the tie in points bet.

Surely 1/2 goes with 2/1 in a match bet

None of this bookies margins malarkey

Salah's just had his best season in about five years. Not sure why we have to assume he'll regress. It's coming some time, but judging by the last few months it's not here yet.



Rodri coming back is the big thing for City, alongside De Bruyne leaving. If that French lad can replace big kev's creativity then they'll be ok and will have some legs again in midfield. Wingers don't look good enough for me while the back four also looks weak. Given the disruption to their pre-season with this silly thing and a big points deduction still to be decided I wouldn't back them with your money frankly.

Frimpong's rather attack minded and Wirtz will add a whole load of goals surely. Should be another season of over 85 goals really.

Yeah, Wirtz looks good addition,

Frimpong will keep the attacking width, allowing Salah to come inside and score buckets. And yeah, with Kirkez and Wirtz added, the overall attack gets even stronger IMO

Oscar Bobb coming back being over-looked understandably but he looked highly promising when he came into the side the season before last, he would have been a big loss last season, he'll strengthen them.

I understand that many will think the CWC will have a negative effect but don't think it will personally and the longer this whole city charges farce goes on the more you get the impression that it's going to be fudged and in the unlikely event they do get hammered it strengthens the top 6 claims for the other sides, including United.

When looking at the league last season, I take the view that Liverpool beat a very bad crop whilst profitting from a players performance over and beyond the mean, Arsenal had no striker City were caught out badly with Klopp's departure not strengthening themselves and suffering key injuries, Chelsea, United and Spurs were all awful and you had a rag pushing for CL football.

Probability would suggest that Arsenal who are otherwise solid will improve for an application of a striker and City will improve with the return of key players as well as new signings, probability would also suggest that it will be difficult to expect Salah to repeat last season's performances, now their new signings might all be raging successes but their price is tight based on all of that IMO

i think you are underestimating the gulf between liverpool and the reast last season duffy. they were streets ahead of them all in all depatments.

gonna take a lot to bridge that gap.

City are in renewal and maybe have a manager whose lost his mojo. very unreliable i think

Gooners are a good team but lack the winning mentality . Could be a threat but drawsagain will let them down. They are a long way off the champions who are getting a stronger squad.

The rest stand no chance apart from Chelsea who maybe on an upward curbve but id be very surprised if they gert anywhere liverpool.

9/4 is a great bet

Fair points Dragon, been good discussing it all...heating up already, in more ways than one

it has duffy and i respect your well thought out input. its great to exchange views and opinions

At first glance the current Man City price looks very tempting but I suppose it has a substantial probability of a hefty points deduction built in?

Bookies plugging the outstanding value of 33/1

Villa about right price

united 28/1 on here now

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1.25 sunderland
1.46 burnley
2.16 leeds
4.6 brentford
4.8 wolves
7.8 westham
9.8 palace
10 forest
10.5 everton
11 bournemouth
24 brighton
27 citeh
29 man utd
60 tottenham
150 chelsea
200 newcastle
230 villa
310 liverpool
410 arsenal

Prices available to back on betfair, some have no lay option
so likely 1000

just keep laying arsenal for a very profitable life

Liverpool 3.1... 3.0
Arsenal 3.4.....3.5
Citeh 3.85......4.5
Chelsea 20......11
Man utd 30.......40
Newcastle 34.....48
Spurs 75.........65
Villa 100........120
Forest 300.......340
Brighton 360.....310
Leeds 700........720
Everton 710..... 610
Palace 880.......900
Otters 1000

Seen a bet on social media:

Someone has had a bag on Sunderland to finish in the top half at 25/1.