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Starting in four days time, India have announced three changes to their 12. On the basis that Harbajhan wasn't in the Kolkatra 11, these are not exactly sweeping changes although to make widespread changes during a series demonstrates that India's selectors got it wrong, not something they are traditionally akin to doing.
England have taken their time to get their side right - they got it badly wrong for the first Test but now Finn and Panesar have found their way into the side and made significant contributions in the following Tests.
I do not know much about the bowler that has been brought in but I know about Chawla and Jadeja (who has just scored his third triple century at the age of 24 albeit in the Ranji).
My thoughts on this are similar to Jan 2011 when England were 2-1 up in the Ashes but it was lets go for the 3-1. Having said that you are only one session away from putting yourself under major pressure but 2.58 for India looks a good value lay for me. Anderson, Swann and Finn bowled well and Panesar has bowled better but if all are up for it then India could remain under the cosh for this Test as well. There does not appear to be the atmosphere in place for significant improvement to the India dressing room to merit backing India at current prices.
Need some news on the pitch but England have outplayed on a turning surface and a reasonably good surface in Mumbai and Kolkatra. What would be nice would be for Compton to get a ton after being a contributor of sorts and for Prior to have a slightly better time behind the stumps (although he has been terrific since 2009)
Only a few days to go. A draw will make this Englands first win in India since Pocock, Foster and Edmonds did the business in 1984/5
England have taken their time to get their side right - they got it badly wrong for the first Test but now Finn and Panesar have found their way into the side and made significant contributions in the following Tests.
I do not know much about the bowler that has been brought in but I know about Chawla and Jadeja (who has just scored his third triple century at the age of 24 albeit in the Ranji).
My thoughts on this are similar to Jan 2011 when England were 2-1 up in the Ashes but it was lets go for the 3-1. Having said that you are only one session away from putting yourself under major pressure but 2.58 for India looks a good value lay for me. Anderson, Swann and Finn bowled well and Panesar has bowled better but if all are up for it then India could remain under the cosh for this Test as well. There does not appear to be the atmosphere in place for significant improvement to the India dressing room to merit backing India at current prices.
Need some news on the pitch but England have outplayed on a turning surface and a reasonably good surface in Mumbai and Kolkatra. What would be nice would be for Compton to get a ton after being a contributor of sorts and for Prior to have a slightly better time behind the stumps (although he has been terrific since 2009)
Only a few days to go. A draw will make this Englands first win in India since Pocock, Foster and Edmonds did the business in 1984/5
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India in complete disarray.
jadeja is a good bat but bowling at test level I am not sure. Chawla nothing special. Dont even know the fast bowler but I would play him ahead of Dhinda! As usual I will lay the side batting second! I have got to be right one out of 4! |
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Don't think it matters who bats 1st or 2nd, England have now thrashed India in 6 of their last 7 Tests, which makes India a fantastic lay at 2.58
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Er... England at 3.0 for this test, yet at the start of the last test India were around evens... England have shown they have this Indian team's number twice now! Am I missing something?
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assuming india will prepare a pitch to nullify the draw, isnt a lay of the draw a far safer bet?
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Sweet "lay the draw" is my new middle name :)
The Indians are certain to produce a pitch that turns sideways in the first over and make it a spinning competition Only 3 previous tests at this ground but all had a positive outcome and all by big margins Lay the draw is much safer than lay India imho |
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Yep will more than likely lay the draw for sure but I always love the Sehwag Factor!
Need to see the pitch and the toss. Just because India have been rubbish, unprepared and unprofessional it doesn't mean they can't win. Draw is 3.4 already before we find out if the Curator is related to Mr Mukherjee! Also side batting first could get a big score so might be safer buy and lay back situation. All talk I guess. I have changed my original call twice in last two tests. |
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my concern over the draw lay is that the mechanics of the market will not not change and as far as i know, shahid afridi has not been flown out to nagpur to endlessly pirouette up and down on the wicket for the next three days; i.e. it's very possible that the wicket may be very good to bat on first up, deteriorating later on; indeed uttar pradesh have just racked up 548/8 off 186 overs.
the market mechanics will not change: if england bat first and go well, india's lengthening price will be giving just as much, if not more, to the draw than it will to england. |
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Jezza mate eng at 3.x is sh1te. Those lovely Indian punters will give us much bigger than that if we wish to
back an england win in play. india batting at 30/0 = 7.0+ odds on england usually.  |
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Agree with Lix here - could well be another match in-running where the market takes very little attention to what actually happened in the previous game (s)
Expect market love for India, and then the draw - especially as that's all England are perceived to need. |
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it is pretty obvious from this series where Lumpy is from and he isn't an english fan
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England currently have better performing spinners than india so a rank turner will be in englands favour
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Look nobody knows what will happen. Even on a rank bunsen the team batting first can gain a huge advatage as the pitch deteriorates over time ergo India could quite conceivably win batting first. Laying India before the coin toss ranks as pretty dumb imho but then I have backed India first in each of the three test's so far so albeit after the coin toss and I managed to reverse the mistake.
I would like to know who has been backing India on betfair. I believe most people on this forum have been backing England, the draw or just trading. Maybe it is Indian bookies selling India at lower prices in India it doesn't make much sense to me. |
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India already into 2.5 and England out to 3.4
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Some good comments. Wait and watch is clearly the call here (isn't it always lol?)
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Often some great chocs on Days 3, 4 and 5.
Patience the key. |
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Much talk about the pitch very little about India's ineffective spinners, 2nd class batting, inept fielding and general disease in their dressing room. Agree that in play there will be better prices but on who is the question and if the answer to that was known then i probably wouldnt be having a pre match discussion.
Having said that its always nice talking to cricket punters |
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Really not sure where India go in terms of pitch prep. Whilst i'd suggest their batting has been more of a disappointment than their bowling, they have never the less shown themselves to be a step behind in all aspects of their bowling attack. They will of course have to live / die by the sword though and prepare a turner. Slow and low would be the play for me if I was them, but we shall see.
Jadeja will come in, but not sure of him as a bowler at test level. Ashwin is in the same boat so with only Ojah as a frontline spinner, a turner is perhaps not the way to go. That said, what else can they do. Prepare a turner, hope their bowlers do ok, pray their batsman finally get it together (even if it for just one last time). I wouldn't totally dismiss the draw here, given that we would settle for it, but doesn't appear value. Like many it seems, my mind is not made up yet... |
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I think India will struggle to find a pitch to suit them at the minute - their batting looks fragile - sehweg , Gambiar loose at best - tendulker struggling , kohl I low on confidence - and they have always had a long tail from 9 . If I were them , but not really in the spirit of cricket , I would " produce " an early turner and hope to get cook kp early and level it up a bit . Monty / Swann may out bowl them but they have to hope one of their frontline batsmen can go big . They need a result so they have to produce a result wicket . I will be laying the draw but maybe not straight from the start .
Gl all |
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Why look beyond the obvious? England have just thrashed India twice. Tests are rarely drawn these days and India will prepare a "result" wicket. England's confidence is sky high and India's rock bottom. England have better spinners and more in form batsmen. Oh and England are the outsider at almost 5/2! A no brainer.
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yeah fair enough. a 6-1 recent winning record for england too.
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valuable inputs. wait and see, the best approach. my first shall be on the team whose odds hit 7 or back draw at odds of 5
GL to all |
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India clear fav for this match after 2 hammerings and probably playing a weakened team with the changes
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ironically India have a better chance of winning on a flat pitch rather than on turner or grassy pitch as their bowling has been woeful in the last 2 games whereas england has been very good
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valuable inputs. wait and see, the best approach. my first BET shall be on the team whose odds hit 7 or back draw at odds of 5
GL to all |
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Don't get carried away by 2 wins. It's still India at home on turning wickets against England who are extremely weak at playing spin apart from Cook. Look how they struggled in the 2nd innings at 8/3. But the most important factor is this:
If India fail to win this test match and lose the series, there will be HUGE pressure on the BCCI about the impact of IPL on Indian national team. IPL is a multi-billion dollar business which can't afford to have such a bad public backlash against it. Also Sachin Tendulkar will be pressurized to retire if he fails again. BCCI will try to avoid these circumstances at ANY cost. Remember we are talking about BILLIONS OF DOLLARS here. So I hope you understand why India are going to win this test match. Don't be so naïve to assume English players won't love to be millions of dollars richer in exchange of a test series victory. |
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India at 2.5+ to win the test match is a fantastic value given the situation I described.
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could easily argue the eng and india prices are the wrong way round here..
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seriously queeny, you sure your not big joe?
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wished he was he still owes my charity £50
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really!? remember seeing those bets struck! dont think you were the only one if i remember rightly! wonder where he is now lol!!
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India are 6/4
Its not that they have no chance of winning - but dear me - 6/4 - lol what if they lose the toss guys? |
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I'm laying the draw and backing england.
Effectively breakeven on India. Expecting a result. Guaranteed at least 1 collapse out of the 4 innings. |
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couldnt agree more- and thats what i have done- lay at 3.2 looks fair value to me
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He is bigjoe, obviously. Did he pay up the money he owed?
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in the face of mounting criticism from their own press with a weariness and disarray within their own side, india now need to show some fight, some gumption, some backbone.
the sort of spirit that they have not once demonstrated in the last two years. they are great front runners, and they're a side that is three to four times better when things are going their way and everyone is fighting over who gets to fellate them first, but bulldog spirit is not an attribute i'd label them with. quite the opposite. they are bunch of quitters. between 4 and 5 to 1 to win imho, 10-1 if england win the toss, given the recent results at this ground. |
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There is inference in your post Qeen that England will be prepared to sacrifice the chance of winning a series in India for the first time since 1984 in exchange for a share of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ( I do hope this is not what you are inferring).
There are very few countries in the world with anti-corruption legislation but the UK is one of them with the implementation in July 2011 of The Bribery Act 2010. The irony of this is that, whilst not perfect, the UK is one of the cleanest places in the world to do business. This series will be decided on merit for which on that basis I redirect you to my original post. |
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Dulu maybe overdoing it a bit with the ' billions of dollars '.
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when your betting £2's and saying hundreds billions is also just a figure to him, means over £20
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