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Starting in four days time, India have announced three changes to their 12. On the basis that Harbajhan wasn't in the Kolkatra 11, these are not exactly sweeping changes although to make widespread changes during a series demonstrates that India's selectors got it wrong, not something they are traditionally akin to doing.
England have taken their time to get their side right - they got it badly wrong for the first Test but now Finn and Panesar have found their way into the side and made significant contributions in the following Tests.
I do not know much about the bowler that has been brought in but I know about Chawla and Jadeja (who has just scored his third triple century at the age of 24 albeit in the Ranji).
My thoughts on this are similar to Jan 2011 when England were 2-1 up in the Ashes but it was lets go for the 3-1. Having said that you are only one session away from putting yourself under major pressure but 2.58 for India looks a good value lay for me. Anderson, Swann and Finn bowled well and Panesar has bowled better but if all are up for it then India could remain under the cosh for this Test as well. There does not appear to be the atmosphere in place for significant improvement to the India dressing room to merit backing India at current prices.
Need some news on the pitch but England have outplayed on a turning surface and a reasonably good surface in Mumbai and Kolkatra. What would be nice would be for Compton to get a ton after being a contributor of sorts and for Prior to have a slightly better time behind the stumps (although he has been terrific since 2009)
Only a few days to go. A draw will make this Englands first win in India since Pocock, Foster and Edmonds did the business in 1984/5
England have taken their time to get their side right - they got it badly wrong for the first Test but now Finn and Panesar have found their way into the side and made significant contributions in the following Tests.
I do not know much about the bowler that has been brought in but I know about Chawla and Jadeja (who has just scored his third triple century at the age of 24 albeit in the Ranji).
My thoughts on this are similar to Jan 2011 when England were 2-1 up in the Ashes but it was lets go for the 3-1. Having said that you are only one session away from putting yourself under major pressure but 2.58 for India looks a good value lay for me. Anderson, Swann and Finn bowled well and Panesar has bowled better but if all are up for it then India could remain under the cosh for this Test as well. There does not appear to be the atmosphere in place for significant improvement to the India dressing room to merit backing India at current prices.
Need some news on the pitch but England have outplayed on a turning surface and a reasonably good surface in Mumbai and Kolkatra. What would be nice would be for Compton to get a ton after being a contributor of sorts and for Prior to have a slightly better time behind the stumps (although he has been terrific since 2009)
Only a few days to go. A draw will make this Englands first win in India since Pocock, Foster and Edmonds did the business in 1984/5
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might be tempted to lay a bit more india if england are 5 down at stumps
Dec 16, 2012 -- 9:32AM, maxstout wrote:Comical. KP gets impatient, hits a four then gets bowled out the next ball...
wudnt call leaving a ball being impatient 
Must be honest, I didn't actually see what happened. Just a guess...
Shifting the green around here and taking some England at 12.5. 
just looking a target around 250 in 60 overs...it ll be an exciting finish
this is better, we need to be at least cautiously positive..if that makes sense lol
bearing in mind a pitch you cant score fast on and you can bowl legal wides etc...extremely difficult and not like a typical one day run chase
well i can see draw price above to 1.50 in day 5 2nd session and ind ll be around 3
if india were chasing 250 in 2 sessions say , then they would of course go for it, would be interesting to see their approach if sehwag fell early
when i say 7/1, thats my price...i cant see the over reactory markets being anywhere near that..maybe 3.4?
so AYT 1.5 and 3 thats a 100% book so you would have england at 100/1 yes please
sorry india but tough sh!t, you didnt want DRS
not my odds but i think market would be india 3 draw 2 eng 6
mcfc i do hope your right the draw at evs would be a lump job for me
the draw at 2.0's would be too big mcfc i'd smash into that all day long
i'd smash into that all day long
Sweet,
am listening to TMS can they tell if Trott edged it or not?
Was also wondering if Dharmasena would have given KP out if he didn't walk?
am listening to TMS can they tell if Trott edged it or not?
Was also wondering if Dharmasena would have given KP out if he didn't walk?
so my prices are india at 3.0 draw 1.50 and england at 20...how ll now u go guys
imo the draw would be 1.5 and would be 6 each of 2
even at 1.5 the draw would be a heavy back for me worcester ...how u doing ?? how r the dogs treating u ?
AYT thats a 105% book for 1.5 and 3 india england would have to be 100/1
dogs going well m8 started doing coventry again when it reopened thats why havnt been on here for a while
wd, kp had to walk he was bowled 
snicko says trott didnt hit it
snicko says trott didnt hit it
thats great , never been to coventry , but used to go to bristol and hackney , both tracks closed now
draw wud be bigger then 1.5 it was bigger then that after the kp wicket
its a shame nicky but the greyhound industry is well and truly on its knees m8 all the real dog men have gone to be replaced with the lets get pissed party packers but nothing better than taking money off a pisshead with 135% on the board
Holdem Spy best dog i seen at Cov very unlucky last week and missed out on a place in the final of the golden muzzle tonight up there
thanks Sweet. Couldn't tell from my view. Cant understand why Kohli was getting upset.
I know KP was bowled but Dharamasena having such a mare! It's like the old boxing analogy, you have to knock 'em out in Italy to get a draw! Just kidding. Vic Marks started laughing on TMS when Cook was given out!
I know KP was bowled but Dharamasena having such a mare! It's like the old boxing analogy, you have to knock 'em out in Italy to get a draw! Just kidding. Vic Marks started laughing on TMS when Cook was given out!
thanks Sweet. Couldn't tell from my view. Cant understand why Kohli was getting upset.
I know KP was bowled but Dharamasena having such a mare! It's like the old boxing analogy, you have to knock 'em out in Italy to get a draw! Just kidding. Vic Marks started laughing on TMS when Cook was given out!
I know KP was bowled but Dharamasena having such a mare! It's like the old boxing analogy, you have to knock 'em out in Italy to get a draw! Just kidding. Vic Marks started laughing on TMS when Cook was given out!
Happy with position zero India, medium-large green on ENG & DRAW. Think India price might explode before stumps if no wicket - maybe even 12.5, - if that happens I'm moving some green and will officially move to the Indian camp for the remainder of the test
yeah worcester , i don't suppose theres much of a 'ring' at the track now ,especially with 135% books !! the p1ssheads u talk about only bet in tenners and scores max in my experience
no better feeling when you press a button on your laptop and see your screen go green
(apologies to cricket fans ) here's a link to hold'em spy's amazing way of trapping last yet still easily winning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iPD9uwM5XfU#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iPD9uwM5XfU#!
Right, that's it......now officially Chak de India!!!
hope people see why india were way to short you mean nigel
Both! But the complaints about England's price were staggering
am wondering if there is any value in a chak de England.
Once you have defeated the enemy in the mind the body may well follow. Can't see india charging if they get a chance to bat. Still a long way to go here. Pitch still standing up to scrutiny. might lay the draw at sub 1.08
Once you have defeated the enemy in the mind the body may well follow. Can't see india charging if they get a chance to bat. Still a long way to go here. Pitch still standing up to scrutiny. might lay the draw at sub 1.08
Pitch doing very little, ENG can bat well down the order. GSM Draw for me
i have a sneakyfeeling England might have 40 or so overs at India tomorrow should they get upto a 275 lead
WD, I was thinking the same - might have a little nibble on England at some stage tomorrow - if I'm still awake after the NFL. My chak de India may be short-lived
yes you're right of course
just love throwing a Hail Mary from time to time. Should really switch off and wait to collect.
just love throwing a Hail Mary from time to time. Should really switch off and wait to collect.
Off for a snooze - NFL at 6pm - right through until 4am, and maybe delve in here one more time. Need to build-up some sleep credits.
Packers at 1.71?! Didn't realise, hadn't checked yet - that's outstanding value.
Packers at 1.71?! Didn't realise, hadn't checked yet - that's outstanding value.
just seen the cook dismissal what a fking joke that was
i just cant see england declaring at all tbh..they could be bowled out of course but why give india the remotest sniff
still no idea how india are shorter than england here. eng still a real chance if we get 50+ overs at india.
will need to get bowled out sharpish.
will need to get bowled out sharpish.
do not see it personally as india will go for the win within reason thats if england are bowled out in short enough time once they lose or if they lose the top 3 batsman then shut up draw, england to be bowled out in 40 overs and england to take 10 wkts is at least 25 imo
the only team who can realisticaly win is india by bowling out england in say 35 to 45 overs max 
then chase the runs down consequently think india could be considered fair value at 20. If you like england or think they should be shorter than india lix then you should be laying the draw imo
then chase the runs down consequently think india could be considered fair value at 20. If you like england or think they should be shorter than india lix then you should be laying the draw imo
does no one fancy another 100 runs from eng in 35 overs leaving india a very tough chase of 260 in 53 overs.
If they went for the runs (which they would do) they'd probably lose trying to force a win. eng big favs for me
over india in that scenario. do india have the desire to bat out a draw knowing the series is gone?
If they went for the runs (which they would do) they'd probably lose trying to force a win. eng big favs for me
over india in that scenario. do india have the desire to bat out a draw knowing the series is gone?
India were 27s at the end of play today... now being backed at 18.5!
the way this series has gone nothing would surprise me tomorrow. India will not play for a draw as Lix says so it would be interesting of they did have to chase 260 since they would definitely go for it.
I might lay this 1.1 for trade. I am thinking about it...
eng bat until the handshake........imo.
225/4 @ lunch.....ind req 225/60 over
300/7 @ tea.......ind req 300/30 over
340/9 @ enter last hour.
225/4 @ lunch.....ind req 225/60 over
300/7 @ tea.......ind req 300/30 over
340/9 @ enter last hour.
i agree with lix.
seen countless tests in the past won from this position
my only problem is if india give up in the field.
willing to take a chance on England though. India would go for almost anything in 50/60 overs imo
seen countless tests in the past won from this position
my only problem is if india give up in the field.
willing to take a chance on England though. India would go for almost anything in 50/60 overs imo
India 20/1 on the high st. not sure why they're being smashed in on here.
india can realistically win and are potentially a great trade with a few early wkts they will be single digits for sure england will only drift until they start to take wkts which they may not need to if they keep batting and if they do will need to take 10 wkts very quickly in 40/50 overs
cant see why eng would declare.
not expecting eng lose 7 wicket first session.
eng bat 2 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+225 / 60
eng bat 2 rpo +10 more over =+245/50
eng bat 2 rpo +10 more over =+265/40
eng bat 2 rpo to tea a/o =+285/30
eng bat 2.5 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+240 / 60
eng bat 2.5 rpo +10 more over =+265/50
eng bat 2.5 rpo +10 more over =+290/40
eng bat 2.5 rpo to tea a/o =+315/30
eng bat 3 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+255 / 60
eng bat 3 rpo +10 more over =+285/50
eng bat 3 rpo +10 more over =+315/40
eng bat 3 rpo to tea a/o =+345/30
think eng run rate will be closer to 2 than 3.
not expecting eng lose 7 wicket first session.
eng bat 2 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+225 / 60
eng bat 2 rpo +10 more over =+245/50
eng bat 2 rpo +10 more over =+265/40
eng bat 2 rpo to tea a/o =+285/30
eng bat 2.5 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+240 / 60
eng bat 2.5 rpo +10 more over =+265/50
eng bat 2.5 rpo +10 more over =+290/40
eng bat 2.5 rpo to tea a/o =+315/30
eng bat 3 rpo a/o by lunch ??? =+255 / 60
eng bat 3 rpo +10 more over =+285/50
eng bat 3 rpo +10 more over =+315/40
eng bat 3 rpo to tea a/o =+345/30
think eng run rate will be closer to 2 than 3.
you will get more or less 20 / 25 england before india bat unles england bowled out in say 25/30 overs which is unlikely as the odds suggest thats why you are better of laying the draw than backing england imo
good take Lanza and i am not saying england can not win just stating they are poor value at the current odds 20 / 25 given the current state of the match verses India who can potentially trade much lower if they make some early in road. Essentially England will trade slightly lower on wkts India will trade much lower on wkts that is why India are favs over england.
comparatively sri lanka are far better value at 25 than england at 25 because clarke as shown his cards early for a resonable declaration by dec at 450/5 in the 1st innings and you also get the chance of Aus being skittled and 2 days left in the match with sri lanka showing positive batting intent in their 1st innings, maybe wrong thread but just comparing value
but just comparing value
I think draw worth laying at 1.11. If England all out in afternoon session, India will go for it, and either could win.
I'm with lanza - england could win this test but they wont give India a sniff.
Really can't see anything but a draw - ENG just won't lose the wickets until Tea leaving nowhere near enough time however not willing to back it at 1.1
whats with the huge crash on the draw?? its only just started and last time i looked an hour ago it was 1.11??
Bob Hope, no hope and further to that no chance and slim and I think Slim just left town.
Congratulations to everybody. A great series and the first time I have not lost a penny! Long may it continue! I wouldn't say I called any of the results having backed India first every time but at least worked out what was going on, which, was more than I could say about the pitches.
Congratulations to everybody. A great series and the first time I have not lost a penny! Long may it continue! I wouldn't say I called any of the results having backed India first every time but at least worked out what was going on, which, was more than I could say about the pitches.
I see a market on william hill. Highest opening partnership (2inn) England at 1.53 India at 2.37 and Draw 21
England I think lost their first wicket at 48. So first reason why their price is high. Another thing what happens if India dont bat at all bets void?
England I think lost their first wicket at 48. So first reason why their price is high. Another thing what happens if India dont bat at all bets void?
ok. Thanks tony, Do you reckon the price on England is value? If india bat obviously sehwag will be risk free and chances are they might lose a wicket before 48 runs or more.
Very enjoyable reading the comments through the test match,one thing ive learnt though,some people talk a load of old bollocks,india can win? good value? 20s good price,england declare? Either some characters are just wind up merchants or not reading the game or pitch.But some interesting comments also well done boys hope your all collecting on the draw and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Excuse me, I asked if England might declare, no need for abuse
think in the main terriers the forum has become a lot better in recent months many more intuitive and constructive comments think many here laid the draw @ 1.10 overnight giving up a little of their green me included, but hey has been a very good trading over the 1st 3 days or so and a bit flat days 4/5
When can play end? Can they agree a draw at tea? England WILL declare at some point, 10 mins before earliest time to pack up
Sorry tonyf didnt mean to offend at all accept my apology just couldnt see a declaration at all!!
assume Bell gets to 100, then we can expect about 30-35 more runs, total 340-345
Hope all did ok..........much improved thread/forum this test, may have lost some of the Free Money /GSM merchants (with one notable exception, God bless his cotton socks). Perhaps, test match cricket attracts a better sort.
General thrust for me was laying India, as I kept saying (and reminding myself when doubting or over-analysing) their attack is just not potent enough. However, terriers, I would say an India win was still very much a possibility (although briefly) after the Pietersen wicket.
England win anyone? With some loose change? Nah
). Perhaps, test match cricket attracts a better sort.General thrust for me was laying India, as I kept saying (and reminding myself when doubting or over-analysing) their attack is just not potent enough. However, terriers, I would say an India win was still very much a possibility (although briefly) after the Pietersen wicket.
England win anyone? With some loose change? Nah
what's bell playing at ? Only needs 11 yet blocking like there's no tomorrow
Must be one of the most boring Test Matches ever, nothing in it for the bowler whatsoever. Cook, won't declare, why would he want to send his bowlers out there for even 30 mins
I found all the chat about the pitch pretty tedious. It was blamed for the dull match.
Ok it was slow with no turn. But if India could bat they would have got 450 and the match would have been very interesting.
If we had to win, the tempo would have been higher and we would have declared, leaving a tantalising chase.
The pitch was dead but India's weaknesses and England's contentment with a draw were the reasons for a dull game.
Ok it was slow with no turn. But if India could bat they would have got 450 and the match would have been very interesting.
If we had to win, the tempo would have been higher and we would have declared, leaving a tantalising chase.
The pitch was dead but India's weaknesses and England's contentment with a draw were the reasons for a dull game.
I think India were equally content with a draw, Injera, and the pitch was dead for precisely this reason.
screaming from beneaththewaves 12 Dec 12 07:52
Have backed the draw at 5/2 in a couple of Ladcrokes shops.
Not many Ranji Trophy games on this ground, but the most recent have been slow, high-scoring draw pitches.
More to the point, I believe a draw would suit both teams here. England would obviously get their series win, while Dhoni et al. would avoid a defeat, which would be enough for Srinivasan (BCCI boss and Super Kings owner), to face down all the calls to sack him immediately. "Avoided defeat ... turned the corner ... signs of promise ... wise head needed ... no time for knee-jerk reactions ... etc."
I love the way Dhoni even managed to identify the obligatory positives for the future in his post-match interview:
"We tried a few combinations that really worked. We were playing with the four bowlers (two fast and two spinners) for quite some time but over the years what we have seen is that we had some part timers who could bowl 15-16 overs if needed which we really have lost. So that means we need to bring in someone like Ravindra Jadeja into the side to keep a lid on the batsmen.
"Cheteshwar Pujara's batting was a positive, Virat Kohli's batting and attitude was good and Gautam Gambhir got back in the runs," he added.
So there we are. A bore draw was all that Dhoni and his sponsors required to be able to spin a Dhoni-led future.
screaming from beneaththewaves 12 Dec 12 07:52
Have backed the draw at 5/2 in a couple of Ladcrokes shops.
Not many Ranji Trophy games on this ground, but the most recent have been slow, high-scoring draw pitches.
More to the point, I believe a draw would suit both teams here. England would obviously get their series win, while Dhoni et al. would avoid a defeat, which would be enough for Srinivasan (BCCI boss and Super Kings owner), to face down all the calls to sack him immediately. "Avoided defeat ... turned the corner ... signs of promise ... wise head needed ... no time for knee-jerk reactions ... etc."
I love the way Dhoni even managed to identify the obligatory positives for the future in his post-match interview
:"We tried a few combinations that really worked. We were playing with the four bowlers (two fast and two spinners) for quite some time but over the years what we have seen is that we had some part timers who could bowl 15-16 overs if needed which we really have lost. So that means we need to bring in someone like Ravindra Jadeja into the side to keep a lid on the batsmen.
"Cheteshwar Pujara's batting was a positive, Virat Kohli's batting and attitude was good and Gautam Gambhir got back in the runs," he added.
So there we are. A bore draw was all that Dhoni and his sponsors required to be able to spin a Dhoni-led future.
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