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1\33 no 11\2 yes
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whats your thoughts in term of odds..............I think my 1\33 is tad generous
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Almost definitely yes, but some of his feats may have been over-exaggerated a tad.
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but there is very little evidence for a historical jesus.................no eye witnesses ...
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and isn't it odd all the other myths are identical...........whats more likely ...this one is true or none of them are
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remember this wasn't the first attempt by the romans to get a religion started.....others were rejected
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The story rings true, there's a book about it.
1.01 imo or less. Parables correct is another story |
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ovalman.......sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
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There was a Jesus, I've no doubt.
He gained a following which David Icke is ridiculed for. These things happen. Mohammed had a dream and shagged 9 y/os, yet millions think this is verbatim. |
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A story made up by Sun worshipping stargazers.
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all these myths...........all born 25th dec.....virgin birth............perform miracles. 12 followers...crucified and then come back to life 3 days later.....there were half a dozen prior to jesus..........myth.............NAP
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All created from the movements of the heavenly bodies Cardiff.
Like an astrological/literal hybrid. |
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Think Existed ,as a preacher rest is probably a load of C0Ck
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Yes Case, there would have been plenty of preachers but non of them had a virgin mother.
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we have one life...........we are so lucky to have a short stay on this planet.....if we are lucky at least 70 to 80 years maybe more.....yet some religious idiots blow themselves up thinking this is the dress rehearsal
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I don't believe these bronze age mythologies Cardiff, but there is plenty of sub atomic mysteries that are telling us there is much more to everything than we may realise.
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Probably an historical figure. May have been an Essene. Would have been the inspiration of a small Jewish cult at best if it hadn't have been for Saul of Tarsus ( St Paul ) who decided to spread the word to Gentiles.
Mohammed was later and certainly a significant historical figure within his lifetime. That's not a value judgement. |
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There certainly was a figure that created a following of his teachings. The Romans saw him as a dissident and a threat. Hence their tag ' King of the Jews' There is historical evidence for this.
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I'm not an expert Facts but is it not just one contemporary Roman writer that mentions him in passing ?
I do think he was either an historical character or based closely on one. Doesn't mean the Gospels are gospel of course and Paul changed the "message" very significantly in that he made it addressed to all and not just the Jews. |
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tacitus i think, but i dont know if he refers to jesus by name
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants
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By the way Big Mart is not on this list...
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professor Dawkins has conceded that Jesus existed in debates.
All the leading historians too. only idiots bring this up? |
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From what I have read and various TV programmes Jesus existed.as a profit. The 25th December Birthday was tagged in by the early Christians to fall in line with most Pagan Celebrations around the Winter Solstice. I think I saw somewhere that he was born around June or July. This falls into line with the story of his family having to register for the Roman census. I could be wrong.
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Jesus is still a profit you only have to look to the U.S. THEY MAKE A PROFIT FROM A PROPHET
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what profit? ten percent or double?
it's mentioned in the bible that Mary's cousin Elizabeth was pregnant for so many months when Mary visited. Jewish scholars who believe in Christ (coptic jews?)worked out that her husband worked for the temple - they have schedules for that work - for two periods of the year Elizabeth's husband had to go away for the whole week, do the work in the temple and come back. it's said she became pregnant after he came back from his long shift. From the rosta of the tribes they worked it all out. It looks like Jesus was born in October. Sukkot - feast of Tabernacles. oct 1st to 8th. the video is on youtube. I'm not making much sense, i saw it a while ago. couldn't find that good video again - but this one is close. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w3MNZQXlrs |
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The Earth is only 6000 years old everything in the bible is true fossils are designed by the Devil to put people
of the scent..The Bible is the word of God a man who shut up 2000 years ago and has never spoken since for fear heaven will be full... |
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With the historical evidence and Bible I think it's nailed on he existed.
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I can prove Aristotle lived and surely he was cleverer than Jesus?, Jesus never invented anything for the good of
mankind he was a magician name one thing he invented apart from myths without foundation he walked on water but couldn't stop the Romans if he was all powerful why didn't he rule the world?Why Why Why have no religions got any answers maybe because they are all fake news.. |
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Santa
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oi vey -
Because of time and wear many of the historical documents from the ancient world have few manuscripts to which we can refer. This is specially true when we consider the secular historians and philosophers. For instance, we only have eight copies of Herodotus’s historical works, whose originals were written in 480-425 BC. Likewise, only 5 copies of Aristotle’s writings have found their way to the 20th century, while only 10 copies of the writings of Caesar, along with another 20 copies of the historian Tacitus, and 7 copies from the historian Pliny, who all originally wrote in the first century, are available today 1. These are indeed very few. When we consider the New Testament, however, we find a completely different scenario. We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions (MSS), giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! 2. Though we do not have any originals, with such a wealth of documentation at our disposal with which to compare, we can delineate quite closely what those originals contained. http://www.debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/the-bible-and-the-quran/the-bibles-manuscript-evidence/ the old testament was translated into the greek 300 years before Christ by Ptolemy the second, it's called the Septuagint. Daniel and Isaiah both prophecy of the date of the coming messiah. Daniel right down to the day Jesus enters Jerusalem in 33 AD. |
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why no capitals for Old Testament ?or Greek
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because its a forum and not Collins publishing house. If I was going to be marked by a teacher/tutor? I'd spend half an hour spell checking and analyzing it.
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If the atheists want to give back the bible back to the Catholics, then do it. The protestants seemed to fight quite vigorously for the title of true believers... a few hundred years and some dubious science theories and they want to drop it?
Just as Jesus is getting ready to come back. the year is 5777 in the Jewish calendar - 5 in Jewish number symbolism means Grace. 7 means completion. triple completion. Jesus left us with the covenant of Grace. It completes this year. say goodnight Gracie. |
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Jesus DID exist. There is evidence amongst other things of a wanted poster issued by the Romans and Pont E.S. Pilot. It describes Jesus and you would not recognise him from the description in comparison to the images in art other descriptions over the centuries. The question is-was Jesus the Jesus as described in the New Testament. The answer to this is a resounding NO!
I hope this clarifies the matter. The Very Reverend Dr Aristotle Slicer |
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bit of an imbecile test this one, the OP may have stepped on his own land mine, i'm a glass half full sort of guy so on the plus side 10 out of 10 for constructing a land mine (0 out of 10 for stepping on it).
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Dionysus\mithras\Osiris\horus\isis..................all before jesus telling the identical story...............whats more likely.......jesus existed or people made up jesus based on these myths
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people didn't like the old religion.........so they invented a new one.......invented being the operative word
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