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you love the Darwin experts - but hate the historical experts - they both look into the past?
Dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago ?
Yes, i believe that...
Jesus lived 2000 years ago ?
I cannot believe that ?
recorded history about 8,000 years? Historians
abstract history of the globe without witness statements, about 4.5 Billion years. Evolutionists.
We cannot believe the historians... yah.
Yes, i believe that...
Jesus lived 2000 years ago ?
I cannot believe that ?
recorded history about 8,000 years? Historians
abstract history of the globe without witness statements, about 4.5 Billion years. Evolutionists.
We cannot believe the historians... yah.
zorro......argument from authority has always and will always be a poor one
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
muslims have plenty of history........600 years after yours........is their religion true??
going by your logic...........what about Mormons.........plenty of recordable history.......surely that's true
No - because it's not based on prophecy - jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies.
the odds of that is astronomical in the extreme.
Satan met Muhammid and buttered him up. Muhammid stole all that he could of the jewish books, christian books, changed jesus' story - made jesus a liar, (while the bible existed).
he couldn't write, he killed, raped, boys and girls, tortured and stole.
what crimes did Christ commit? what one is a valid ? They both have history Muhammad existed, so did Jesus.
the odds of that is astronomical in the extreme.
Satan met Muhammid and buttered him up. Muhammid stole all that he could of the jewish books, christian books, changed jesus' story - made jesus a liar, (while the bible existed).
he couldn't write, he killed, raped, boys and girls, tortured and stole.
what crimes did Christ commit? what one is a valid ? They both have history Muhammad existed, so did Jesus.
Again Satan met some chump in a forest. and buttered him up - again they changed bible texts and deny Christ's divinity. same pattern
It's like you have a genuine Rolex watch from God dated 33 AD and some guy rolls up and wants to swap it for the 1820's version..
How dumb is that.
It's like you have a genuine Rolex watch from God dated 33 AD and some guy rolls up and wants to swap it for the 1820's version..
How dumb is that.
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
zorro....you are a Christian who believes in adam and eve and god was responsible for the big bang.......talk about having your cake and eating it
tell me you don't surely believe dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time.......are ken ham??
I think that history is not a scientific testable fact. That there are no universal constants that are set. That they are all maintained by God. If god can will matter into being he can do anything he wishes - if the speed of light was faster in the past, like Barry Setterfield (physicist ) maintains. Then a billion years can pass at the same rate as a day. (like Rod Taylor views time in the time machine) supposedly in the big bang? matter was moving faster than it is now? usually in an explosion all the forces move quicker at the start? But the big bang theory has only been around since 1926?, by Georges LeMaitre - a Belgian Priest, friend to Einstein. So it's a religious concept. Not to be trusted?
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19429-laws-of-physics-may-change-across-the-universe/
new scientist
Another author on the paper, Michael Murphy of Swinburne University in Australia, understands the caution. But he says the evidence for changing constants is piling up. “We just report what we find, and no one has been able to explain away these results in a decade of trying,” Murphy told New Scientist. “The fundamental constants being constant is an assumption. We’re here to test physics, not to assume it.”
Earth sits somewhere in the middle of the extremes for alpha. If correct, the result would explain why alpha seems to have the finely tuned value that allows chemistry – and thus life – to occur. Grow alpha by 4 per cent, for instance, and the stars would be unable to produce carbon, making our biochemistry impossible.
new scientist
Another author on the paper, Michael Murphy of Swinburne University in Australia, understands the caution. But he says the evidence for changing constants is piling up. “We just report what we find, and no one has been able to explain away these results in a decade of trying,” Murphy told New Scientist. “The fundamental constants being constant is an assumption. We’re here to test physics, not to assume it.”
Earth sits somewhere in the middle of the extremes for alpha. If correct, the result would explain why alpha seems to have the finely tuned value that allows chemistry – and thus life – to occur. Grow alpha by 4 per cent, for instance, and the stars would be unable to produce carbon, making our biochemistry impossible.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2011/11/fundamental-constants-are-not-constant-or-maybe-they-are-we-dont-know-really/
make a straight path for the Lord.
make a straight path for the Lord.
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
We can't really consider any prophesied events of the Old Testament that may or may not have happened 2000 years ago as evidence . We can't be sure what happened then.
If there is something, a date or a happening, or a person, or a particular historical event that the bible prophesies,
and has happened more recently, that we can say yes that happened because we have seen it, or there is film footage of it, or some form of physical evidence of something that existed such as dinasour bones, or a photograph.
Something substantial that we can see or touch or understand scientifically or naturally.
Then that would be evidence. Something predicted. in theory 3000 years ago, which happened, in theory, 2000 years ago, is not evidence.
If there is something, a date or a happening, or a person, or a particular historical event that the bible prophesies,
and has happened more recently, that we can say yes that happened because we have seen it, or there is film footage of it, or some form of physical evidence of something that existed such as dinasour bones, or a photograph.
Something substantial that we can see or touch or understand scientifically or naturally.
Then that would be evidence. Something predicted. in theory 3000 years ago, which happened, in theory, 2000 years ago, is not evidence.
now these are the facts, so far. No one alive today or at any time in history, as far as we know. Has any evidence that God exists,
That doesn't mean that there is no such thing as God, it's just we don't know. No one has seen God, or heard anything from him for a very long time.
That's how it is, if you disagree show me the money.
That doesn't mean that there is no such thing as God, it's just we don't know. No one has seen God, or heard anything from him for a very long time.
That's how it is, if you disagree show me the money.
The nation of Israel ? in Daniel .
Israel became a nation again. in 1947 - a lot of people thought that was a bible miracle as it was prophecized - Pascal talks about it happening a lot, Sir Isaac Newton.
so LFC1971 - anymore BS, keep hiding from God.
Israel became a nation again. in 1947 - a lot of people thought that was a bible miracle as it was prophecized - Pascal talks about it happening a lot, Sir Isaac Newton.
so LFC1971 - anymore BS, keep hiding from God.
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
you haven't read what I wrote have you zorro ? How is that evidence exactly.
The bible predicted Israel becoming a nation 2000 years ago. Not 1947
Now if it had mentioned Hitler, and then 1947, and a few facts of WW2 that's fine
Mark Twain (aka Samuel Clemens), the great American writer, who was an agnostic and a self-acknowledged skeptic, penned this in 1899 in Harper's Magazine:
"The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"
"The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"
Leo Nikolaivitch Tolstoy, unlike Twain, was not an agnostic. He was a very religious, Russian Orthodox Christian. He is also a very famous Russian author from the last century, perhaps best known for his War and Peace. He wrote this in 1908:
"The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither slaughter nor torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who neither fire, nor sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face of the earth. He who was the first to produce the Oracles of God. He who has been for so long the Guardian of Prophecy and has transmitted it to the rest of the world. Such a nation cannot be destroyed. The Jew is as everlasting as Eternity itself.
"The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither slaughter nor torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who neither fire, nor sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face of the earth. He who was the first to produce the Oracles of God. He who has been for so long the Guardian of Prophecy and has transmitted it to the rest of the world. Such a nation cannot be destroyed. The Jew is as everlasting as Eternity itself.
That final destination was described by Prophet Isaiah in these words:
In the days to come, The Mount of the Lord's House shall stand Firm above the mountains; And it shall tower above the hills. And all the nations shall gaze on it with joy, And the many peoples shall go and shall say: "Come, Let us go up to the Mount of the Lord, To the House of the God of Jacob; That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." For instruction shall come forth from Zion, The word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Thus He will judge among the many people. And arbitrate for the multitude of nations. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not take up Sword against nation; They shall never again know war. (Isaiah 2:2-4; see also Micah 4:1-4)
In the days to come, The Mount of the Lord's House shall stand Firm above the mountains; And it shall tower above the hills. And all the nations shall gaze on it with joy, And the many peoples shall go and shall say: "Come, Let us go up to the Mount of the Lord, To the House of the God of Jacob; That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." For instruction shall come forth from Zion, The word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Thus He will judge among the many people. And arbitrate for the multitude of nations. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not take up Sword against nation; They shall never again know war. (Isaiah 2:2-4; see also Micah 4:1-4)
Yes, that's nice. I like Mark Twains books, and moon river is a lovely song,
Did you know he was an early proponent of eugenics ?
Now we were talking about evidence.
Did you know he was an early proponent of eugenics ?
Now we were talking about evidence.
explanation please?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
I've read that zorro, I don't see any point in answering it again
One piece of evidence that we can verify today, it's at least 2000 years. Show me the evidence.
you dismissed it - explain how a man 700 years before christ describes him? then another man gives you the exact day he comes to Jerusalem 500 years before?
Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book in Victorian times. He was an inspector in Scotland Yard who investigated Daniel's prophecies. He was knighted by the queen.
the coming Prince - sold out - re published many times.
Investigated it forensically - get it up yas
the coming Prince - sold out - re published many times.
Investigated it forensically - get it up yas
It's not evidence of anything that we can know happened, you will be telling us next that Johnathon Swift predicted the 2 moons of mars in a novel before they were discovered.'
people can read all sorts of predictions into hundreds of books.
The sinking of the titanic was predicted in great detail in a novel
These things are not evidence.
No one today,and no one in history has predicted the future..as far as we know
people can read all sorts of predictions into hundreds of books.
The sinking of the titanic was predicted in great detail in a novel
These things are not evidence.
No one today,and no one in history has predicted the future..as far as we know
What's the name of your grand father? you should know that?
what's the name of your grand father's grand father you might be able to find out?
prove he existed?
I think he existed, but it's getting hard to prove?
But Jesus - caused Constantine to move the empire from Rome to Turkey in the third century.
24,000 texts exist from the first century, dealing with the gospels.
carbon dated - dead sea scrolls. That's the old testament.
Historical proofs outside of the bible for twigglets that avoid everything they don't understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0
what's the name of your grand father's grand father you might be able to find out?
prove he existed?
I think he existed, but it's getting hard to prove?
But Jesus - caused Constantine to move the empire from Rome to Turkey in the third century.
24,000 texts exist from the first century, dealing with the gospels.
carbon dated - dead sea scrolls. That's the old testament.
Historical proofs outside of the bible for twigglets that avoid everything they don't understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0
If you give me something that the bible predicted, that we know happened in the last 500 years, just something then it would be evidence.
something supernatural would be nice
something supernatural would be nice
I am pretty sure Jesus was an historical figure.
That's not evidence of anything else
That's not evidence of anything else
Jesus will reign for a thousand years from the new Jerusalem.
King Jesus. King of the Jews. on the throne of David.
I just gave you the future.
King Jesus. King of the Jews. on the throne of David.
I just gave you the future.
That final destination was described by Prophet Isaiah in these words:
In the days to come, The Mount of the Lord's House shall stand Firm above the mountains; And it shall tower above the hills. And all the nations shall gaze on it with joy, And the many peoples shall go and shall say: "Come, Let us go up to the Mount of the Lord, To the House of the God of Jacob; That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." For instruction shall come forth from Zion, The word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Thus He will judge among the many people. And arbitrate for the multitude of nations. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not take up Sword against nation; They shall never again know war. (Isaiah 2:2-4; see also Micah 4:1-4)
In the days to come, The Mount of the Lord's House shall stand Firm above the mountains; And it shall tower above the hills. And all the nations shall gaze on it with joy, And the many peoples shall go and shall say: "Come, Let us go up to the Mount of the Lord, To the House of the God of Jacob; That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." For instruction shall come forth from Zion, The word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Thus He will judge among the many people. And arbitrate for the multitude of nations. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not take up Sword against nation; They shall never again know war. (Isaiah 2:2-4; see also Micah 4:1-4)
1. Israel will prevail over its enemies
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:12-14
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:12-14, the prophet said God would help Israel during times of conflict with enemies (if the people have faith in God). Isaiah said this during a time when the northern kingdom of Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrian Empire. And the southern kingdom, Judah, was about to be conquered by Babylon. (The Bible explains that Israel and Judah lost their independence because so many of the residents had turned to false religions). But, since 1948 when Israel was re-established, Israel has been attacked by much-larger countries. And Israel has prevailed in each of those attacks. This prophecy has found partial fulfillment; Christian scholars believe that a time will come when all of Israel's enemies are destroyed.
Here is Isaiah 41:12-14
Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
2. The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt
Bible passage: Amos 9:11, 13
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Amos 9:11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. (King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David - Israel - was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland. Today, Israel is a source of food for many countries.
Here is Amos 9:11, 13
"In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."
3. Ezekiel prophesied prosperity for modern-day Israel
Bible passage: Ezekiel 36:11
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Ezekiel 36:11, the prophet said that there would come a time when Israel would be more prosperous than it was in the past. The Bible describes Israel as being a prosperous nation during the time of King David and King Solomon about 3000 years ago. But, Ezekiel knew a very different Israel. In Ezekiel's day (he lived about 2600 years ago), the northern kingdom of Israel already had been decimated by the Assyrians, and the southern kingdom (called Judah) was being destroyed by the Babylonians. In the centuries that followed these destructions, Jews rebuilt the city of Jerusalem, but their homeland was destroyed again, by the Romans, about 1900 years ago. Since then, a majority of Jews have lived in exile. But during the past 100 years, millions of Jews from around the world moved to Israel and they have been rebuilding the country once again. Today, Israel again is an independent nation, as it was in the days of King David, and it is one of the world's most prosperous countries. In 1999, Israel had the highest per capita Gross Domestic Product of any nearby country, even though the surrounding countries have many oil resources.
Here is Ezekiel 36:11
I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord.
4. Trees again would grow in Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:18-20
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:18-20, the prophet's talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel - the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve farming. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive land during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s, when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation systems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.
Here is Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
5. Isaiah said Israel's fruit would fill the world
Bible passage: Isaiah 27:6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 27:6, the prophet said Israel would one day blossom and fill the world with fruit. This prophecy has been at least partially fulfilled, literally and symbolically. Today, the land of Israel, which had been barren for centuries, is a leading producer of agricultural products, exporting food to many countries. This prophecy also has been fulfilled symbolically with the worldwide spread of Christianity. Christianity, which began with Jesus in Israel, now has about 2 billion followers worldwide.
Here is Isaiah 27:6
In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.
6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Today
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. This prophecy has not yet been fulfilled. But, it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews regard the city as the world's most important, and Christians and Jews comprise about one-third of the world's population. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
Here is Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
7. Egypt would never again rule over other nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.
Here is Ezekiel 29:15
It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.
8. Zechariah prophesied the Jews return to Jerusalem
Bible passage: Zechariah 8:7-8
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Zechariah 8:7-8, the prophet said God would bring the Jews back from the east and the west to their homeland (Israel) and that they would be able to live in the city of Jerusalem again. This prophecy has been fulfilled more than once. About 2600 years ago, Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took many Jews as captives to Babylon. But many Jews later returned from Babylon. The Jews rebuilt Jerusalem but the city was destroyed about 1900 years ago by the Romans. The Romans killed more than 1 million Jews and forced many more into exile. The Jews did not have control of Jerusalem again until 1967 when the Jews recaptured the city during the Six Day War.
Here is Zechariah 8:7-8
This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."
9. Israel's deserts will become like the Garden of Eden
Bible passage: Isaiah 51:3
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: Being fulfilled now
In Isaiah 51:3, the prophet said that God will restore Israel and make it a paradise, like the garden of Eden. This foreshadows what is currently happening in Israel. The Jews have been irrigating, cultivating and reconditioning the land during much of the 1900s. Many of the country's swamps, which had been infested with malaria, have been converted into farmland. And water from the Sea of Galilee has been channeled through portions of the deserts, allowing some of the deserts to bloom. Much work remains, but parts of Israel are blooming again. Although it was described as a wasteland as recently as the late 1800s, Israel is now a food source for many countries. And at least 200 million of trees have been planted there during the past century.
Here is Isaiah 51:3
The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.
10. Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of Jews to Israel.
Bible passage: Isaiah 43:5-6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet Isaiah said that the Jews would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At that time, the Assyrians had forced many Jews in the northern kingdom of Israel into exile. Those Jews were taken to other areas in the Middle East. Then, about 1900 years ago, the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed and exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. Since then, the Jews have been scattered to virtually every country in the world. But, during the past century, millions of Jews have returned to Israel, from the east, the west, the north and the south.
From the east: Many Jews living in the Middle East moved to Israel by the early 1900s.
From the west: During mid-1900s, hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the West (Europe and the United States) began moving to Israel.
From the north: The former Soviet Union (Russia) is north of Israel. It refused to allow its Jewish residents to move to Israel. But, after years of pressure from other countries, Russia finally began to allow Jews to return to Israel during the 1980s. So far, hundreds of thousands of Russian Jews have moved to Israel.
From the south: Ethiopia, which is south of Israel, also refused to allow its Jews to return to Israel. But, in 1985, Israel struck a deal with Ethiopia's communist government to allow the Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25, 1991, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would have to be persuaded to give up their Jews. Many countries pressured Russia for years before it began to allow its Jews to leave. And Ethiopia had to be paid a ransom to allow its Jews to leave.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the Jews would return "from the ends of the earth," and Isaiah said that many centuries before the Jews had been scattered to the ends of the earth. During the past 100 years, Jews living as far east as China, as far west as the West Coast of the United States, as far north as Scandinavia, and as far south as South Africa, have moved to Israel.
Here is Isaiah 43:5-6
"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth....
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:12-14
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:12-14, the prophet said God would help Israel during times of conflict with enemies (if the people have faith in God). Isaiah said this during a time when the northern kingdom of Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrian Empire. And the southern kingdom, Judah, was about to be conquered by Babylon. (The Bible explains that Israel and Judah lost their independence because so many of the residents had turned to false religions). But, since 1948 when Israel was re-established, Israel has been attacked by much-larger countries. And Israel has prevailed in each of those attacks. This prophecy has found partial fulfillment; Christian scholars believe that a time will come when all of Israel's enemies are destroyed.
Here is Isaiah 41:12-14
Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
2. The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt
Bible passage: Amos 9:11, 13
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Amos 9:11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. (King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David - Israel - was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland. Today, Israel is a source of food for many countries.
Here is Amos 9:11, 13
"In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."
3. Ezekiel prophesied prosperity for modern-day Israel
Bible passage: Ezekiel 36:11
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Ezekiel 36:11, the prophet said that there would come a time when Israel would be more prosperous than it was in the past. The Bible describes Israel as being a prosperous nation during the time of King David and King Solomon about 3000 years ago. But, Ezekiel knew a very different Israel. In Ezekiel's day (he lived about 2600 years ago), the northern kingdom of Israel already had been decimated by the Assyrians, and the southern kingdom (called Judah) was being destroyed by the Babylonians. In the centuries that followed these destructions, Jews rebuilt the city of Jerusalem, but their homeland was destroyed again, by the Romans, about 1900 years ago. Since then, a majority of Jews have lived in exile. But during the past 100 years, millions of Jews from around the world moved to Israel and they have been rebuilding the country once again. Today, Israel again is an independent nation, as it was in the days of King David, and it is one of the world's most prosperous countries. In 1999, Israel had the highest per capita Gross Domestic Product of any nearby country, even though the surrounding countries have many oil resources.
Here is Ezekiel 36:11
I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord.
4. Trees again would grow in Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:18-20
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:18-20, the prophet's talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel - the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve farming. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive land during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s, when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation systems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.
Here is Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
5. Isaiah said Israel's fruit would fill the world
Bible passage: Isaiah 27:6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 27:6, the prophet said Israel would one day blossom and fill the world with fruit. This prophecy has been at least partially fulfilled, literally and symbolically. Today, the land of Israel, which had been barren for centuries, is a leading producer of agricultural products, exporting food to many countries. This prophecy also has been fulfilled symbolically with the worldwide spread of Christianity. Christianity, which began with Jesus in Israel, now has about 2 billion followers worldwide.
Here is Isaiah 27:6
In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.
6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Today
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. This prophecy has not yet been fulfilled. But, it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews regard the city as the world's most important, and Christians and Jews comprise about one-third of the world's population. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
Here is Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
7. Egypt would never again rule over other nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.
Here is Ezekiel 29:15
It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.
8. Zechariah prophesied the Jews return to Jerusalem
Bible passage: Zechariah 8:7-8
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Zechariah 8:7-8, the prophet said God would bring the Jews back from the east and the west to their homeland (Israel) and that they would be able to live in the city of Jerusalem again. This prophecy has been fulfilled more than once. About 2600 years ago, Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took many Jews as captives to Babylon. But many Jews later returned from Babylon. The Jews rebuilt Jerusalem but the city was destroyed about 1900 years ago by the Romans. The Romans killed more than 1 million Jews and forced many more into exile. The Jews did not have control of Jerusalem again until 1967 when the Jews recaptured the city during the Six Day War.
Here is Zechariah 8:7-8
This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."
9. Israel's deserts will become like the Garden of Eden
Bible passage: Isaiah 51:3
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: Being fulfilled now
In Isaiah 51:3, the prophet said that God will restore Israel and make it a paradise, like the garden of Eden. This foreshadows what is currently happening in Israel. The Jews have been irrigating, cultivating and reconditioning the land during much of the 1900s. Many of the country's swamps, which had been infested with malaria, have been converted into farmland. And water from the Sea of Galilee has been channeled through portions of the deserts, allowing some of the deserts to bloom. Much work remains, but parts of Israel are blooming again. Although it was described as a wasteland as recently as the late 1800s, Israel is now a food source for many countries. And at least 200 million of trees have been planted there during the past century.
Here is Isaiah 51:3
The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.
10. Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of Jews to Israel.
Bible passage: Isaiah 43:5-6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet Isaiah said that the Jews would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At that time, the Assyrians had forced many Jews in the northern kingdom of Israel into exile. Those Jews were taken to other areas in the Middle East. Then, about 1900 years ago, the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed and exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. Since then, the Jews have been scattered to virtually every country in the world. But, during the past century, millions of Jews have returned to Israel, from the east, the west, the north and the south.
From the east: Many Jews living in the Middle East moved to Israel by the early 1900s.
From the west: During mid-1900s, hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the West (Europe and the United States) began moving to Israel.
From the north: The former Soviet Union (Russia) is north of Israel. It refused to allow its Jewish residents to move to Israel. But, after years of pressure from other countries, Russia finally began to allow Jews to return to Israel during the 1980s. So far, hundreds of thousands of Russian Jews have moved to Israel.
From the south: Ethiopia, which is south of Israel, also refused to allow its Jews to return to Israel. But, in 1985, Israel struck a deal with Ethiopia's communist government to allow the Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25, 1991, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would have to be persuaded to give up their Jews. Many countries pressured Russia for years before it began to allow its Jews to leave. And Ethiopia had to be paid a ransom to allow its Jews to leave.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the Jews would return "from the ends of the earth," and Isaiah said that many centuries before the Jews had been scattered to the ends of the earth. During the past 100 years, Jews living as far east as China, as far west as the West Coast of the United States, as far north as Scandinavia, and as far south as South Africa, have moved to Israel.
Here is Isaiah 43:5-6
"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth....
explanation please?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
thst was a call for Israel to return to its homeland 2000 years ago.
If it mentions specifically 1947. or any historical event preceding then that would be a starting point.
If there is something that does that, and not just a general yearning for the Jews to return home that would be evidence.
Where is it ?
If it mentions specifically 1947. or any historical event preceding then that would be a starting point.
If there is something that does that, and not just a general yearning for the Jews to return home that would be evidence.
Where is it ?
One verse from the Old Testament, or new. that has happened and foretold, and that we can verify today.
Not from 2000 years ago.
Now that's s long time in history
Not from 2000 years ago.
Now that's s long time in history
It's very simple, no one has any evidence of anything supernatural.
No one has saw a ghost, no one can read the future, no one has seen an alien. no one can bend spoons with their mind
These are the facts. so far.
If you disagree show me the evidence
No one has saw a ghost, no one can read the future, no one has seen an alien. no one can bend spoons with their mind
These are the facts. so far.
If you disagree show me the evidence
I can't read through all that nonsense zorro.
So far I think we can agree that no one knows anything
So far I think we can agree that no one knows anything
captured from - http://www1.cbn.com/biblestudy/biblical-prophecies-fulfilled-by-jesus
The passion of Jesus Christ stands alone as the most important event creation has ever known. The Bible tells us that long before the world began, God had planned that the crucifixion of Jesus would be the method and payment for sin – the only payment that would reconcile sinners to a holy and loving God.
1 Peter 1:19-20 – “He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. God chose Him for this purpose long before the world began, but now in these final days, He was sent to the earth for all to see. And He did this for you.”
1 person fulfilling 8 prophecies: 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 1 person fulfilling 48 prophecies: 1 chance in 10 to the 157th power 1 person fulfilling 300+ prophecies: Only Jesus!
example 1 - The Messiah Will Be Born In Bethlehem
Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village in Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.”
About the Prophecy of Micah
Micah was an eighth century B.C. prophet. He lived at the same time as the prophets Amos, Hosea and Isaiah.
The Book of Micah tells how the judgment of God will fall on Samaria and Jerusalem due to sin, and afterwards, God will give restoration.
Micah describes a wonderful future where the city of Bethlehem will give birth to a ruler greater than David. He also prophesies of a time when Jerusalem will become the religious center of the world.
The Fulfillment
Matthew 2:1-6 – “Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking, ‘Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We have seen His star as it arose, and we have come to worship Him.’ Herod was deeply disturbed by their question, as was all of Jerusalem. He called a meeting of the leading priests and teachers of religious law. ‘Where did the prophets say the Messiah would be born?’ he asked them. ‘In Bethlehem,’ they said, ‘for this is what the prophet wrote: ‘O Bethlehem of Judah, you are not just a lowly village in Judah, for a ruler will come from you who will be the shepherd for my people Israel.’”
Luke 2:4-5, 7, 15 – “And because Joseph was a descendant of King David, he had to go to Bethlehem in Judea, David’s ancient home. He traveled there from the village of Nazareth in Galilee. He took with him Mary, his fiancée, who was obviously pregnant by this time. She gave birth to her first child, a son. She wrapped Him snugly in strips of cloth and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the village inn. When the angels had returned to heaven, the shepherds said to each other, ‘Come on, let’s go to Bethlehem! Let’s see this wonderful thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.’”
John 7:42 – “For the Scriptures clearly state that the Messiah will be born of the royal line of David, in Bethlehem, the village where King David was born.”
All of these are covered by scripture references in detail - the link is above
The Messiah Will Be Born Of A Virgin
The Messiah Will Be A Prophet Like Moses
The Messiah Will Be Tempted By Satan
The Messiah Will Enter Jerusalem Triumphantly
The Messiah Will Be Rejected By His Own People
The Messiah Will Be Betrayed By One Of His Followers
The Messiah Will Be Betrayed For 30 Pieces Of Silver
The Messiah Will Be Tried And Condemned
The Messiah Will Be Silent Before His Accusers
The Messiah Will Be Smitten And Spat Upon
The Messiah Will Be Mocked And Taunted
The Messiah To Die By Crucifixion, With Pierced Hands And Feet
The Messiah Will Suffer With Sinners
The Messiah’s Bones Will Not Be Broken
The Messiah Will Die As A Sin Offering
The Messiah Will See His Seed
The Messiah Will Be Buried In A Rich Man’s Tomb
The Messiah Will Be Raised From The Dead
The Messiah Will Sit At God’s Right Hand
The passion of Jesus Christ stands alone as the most important event creation has ever known. The Bible tells us that long before the world began, God had planned that the crucifixion of Jesus would be the method and payment for sin – the only payment that would reconcile sinners to a holy and loving God.
1 Peter 1:19-20 – “He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. God chose Him for this purpose long before the world began, but now in these final days, He was sent to the earth for all to see. And He did this for you.”
1 person fulfilling 8 prophecies: 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 1 person fulfilling 48 prophecies: 1 chance in 10 to the 157th power 1 person fulfilling 300+ prophecies: Only Jesus!
example 1 - The Messiah Will Be Born In Bethlehem
Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village in Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.”
About the Prophecy of Micah
Micah was an eighth century B.C. prophet. He lived at the same time as the prophets Amos, Hosea and Isaiah.
The Book of Micah tells how the judgment of God will fall on Samaria and Jerusalem due to sin, and afterwards, God will give restoration.
Micah describes a wonderful future where the city of Bethlehem will give birth to a ruler greater than David. He also prophesies of a time when Jerusalem will become the religious center of the world.
The Fulfillment
Matthew 2:1-6 – “Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking, ‘Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We have seen His star as it arose, and we have come to worship Him.’ Herod was deeply disturbed by their question, as was all of Jerusalem. He called a meeting of the leading priests and teachers of religious law. ‘Where did the prophets say the Messiah would be born?’ he asked them. ‘In Bethlehem,’ they said, ‘for this is what the prophet wrote: ‘O Bethlehem of Judah, you are not just a lowly village in Judah, for a ruler will come from you who will be the shepherd for my people Israel.’”
Luke 2:4-5, 7, 15 – “And because Joseph was a descendant of King David, he had to go to Bethlehem in Judea, David’s ancient home. He traveled there from the village of Nazareth in Galilee. He took with him Mary, his fiancée, who was obviously pregnant by this time. She gave birth to her first child, a son. She wrapped Him snugly in strips of cloth and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the village inn. When the angels had returned to heaven, the shepherds said to each other, ‘Come on, let’s go to Bethlehem! Let’s see this wonderful thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.’”
John 7:42 – “For the Scriptures clearly state that the Messiah will be born of the royal line of David, in Bethlehem, the village where King David was born.”
All of these are covered by scripture references in detail - the link is above
The Messiah Will Be Born Of A Virgin
The Messiah Will Be A Prophet Like Moses
The Messiah Will Be Tempted By Satan
The Messiah Will Enter Jerusalem Triumphantly
The Messiah Will Be Rejected By His Own People
The Messiah Will Be Betrayed By One Of His Followers
The Messiah Will Be Betrayed For 30 Pieces Of Silver
The Messiah Will Be Tried And Condemned
The Messiah Will Be Silent Before His Accusers
The Messiah Will Be Smitten And Spat Upon
The Messiah Will Be Mocked And Taunted
The Messiah To Die By Crucifixion, With Pierced Hands And Feet
The Messiah Will Suffer With Sinners
The Messiah’s Bones Will Not Be Broken
The Messiah Will Die As A Sin Offering
The Messiah Will See His Seed
The Messiah Will Be Buried In A Rich Man’s Tomb
The Messiah Will Be Raised From The Dead
The Messiah Will Sit At God’s Right Hand
I am not going to start counting up the years between the fall of Daniel and the parting of the Red Sea.
It's too much maths.
It's too much maths.
explanation please?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Moses was before Daniel. yoo are backwards in all respects.
Yes yes all that stuff might have happened , I'm not saying it didn't.
But this is the fundamental problem we have, no one alive today had seen a miracle or anything of that nature
Sorry that's how it is.
But this is the fundamental problem we have, no one alive today had seen a miracle or anything of that nature
Sorry that's how it is.
see jesus' job was to be the sacrifice. Nothing else.
the miracles were to show his authority over the world.
a higher authority than creation.
people focus on the miracles because they are daft in the head.
it's spectacle.
watch this - dafty - you'll explain it away, like everything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-s-KobZ64
the miracles were to show his authority over the world.
a higher authority than creation.
people focus on the miracles because they are daft in the head.
it's spectacle.
watch this - dafty - you'll explain it away, like everything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-s-KobZ64
explanation please?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes to the day.
Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
No proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Zorro
Thankfully I missed all that you pasted above and I don't think I've got the appetite to sift through it tbh, other than I quickly scrolled through reading the off bit.
I noticed you have a strong indignation for Islam, calling them liars etc.
Well what are you wasting your time talking to atheists and agnostics for when there are swathes of people who would love to have the 'truth' pointed out to them and are as equally invested in believing themselves correct?
I only saw the beginning of the first prophecy example about Israel, but to suggest that the prophecy is complete even in part is down to man carrying it out, not God. Ofc we could see that as artificial in itself, but there's also politics involved rather than religion. Having Israel is very convienient for the west, many of whom arnt religious in the slightest and use it as a road hump to negate the other religious fanatics in the area.
As regard the personal jibe about Newton, I think you will find not one scientist to have completed the whole of discoveries, so my assertion that Newton could well have struggled today rings true, otherwise he'd have already sailed through it.
Discoveries happen through epiphanies and trial and error, but also to a large degree by chance occurrences, that's why each one only discovers a small part in relation to the bigger picture.
Einstein himself got plenty wrong, infact he wasted ten years on a theory that he believed was correct but everyone told him was wrong so he deviated. When it turned out he was correct he became somewhat cynical and ran with theories that he believed to be correct that others said wernt and turned out not to be true.
Thankfully I missed all that you pasted above and I don't think I've got the appetite to sift through it tbh, other than I quickly scrolled through reading the off bit.
I noticed you have a strong indignation for Islam, calling them liars etc.
Well what are you wasting your time talking to atheists and agnostics for when there are swathes of people who would love to have the 'truth' pointed out to them and are as equally invested in believing themselves correct?
I only saw the beginning of the first prophecy example about Israel, but to suggest that the prophecy is complete even in part is down to man carrying it out, not God. Ofc we could see that as artificial in itself, but there's also politics involved rather than religion. Having Israel is very convienient for the west, many of whom arnt religious in the slightest and use it as a road hump to negate the other religious fanatics in the area.
As regard the personal jibe about Newton, I think you will find not one scientist to have completed the whole of discoveries, so my assertion that Newton could well have struggled today rings true, otherwise he'd have already sailed through it.
Discoveries happen through epiphanies and trial and error, but also to a large degree by chance occurrences, that's why each one only discovers a small part in relation to the bigger picture.
Einstein himself got plenty wrong, infact he wasted ten years on a theory that he believed was correct but everyone told him was wrong so he deviated. When it turned out he was correct he became somewhat cynical and ran with theories that he believed to be correct that others said wernt and turned out not to be true.
Newton was more intelligent than anyone alive today and would not struggle to understand any scientific concept we have today.
that however, despite what zorro says, is meaningless to anything outside mathematics or science. And certainly nothing to do with religion.
that however, despite what zorro says, is meaningless to anything outside mathematics or science. And certainly nothing to do with religion.
His point was that because Newton believed then that gave validity to the religion and I made the point that he may well have been a genius, but it was still an age which was heavily influenced with misconception and almost superstition.
The tasks of science don't get easier with time.
I also made the point given somebody who was attempting to answer questions who could not, would default into the well trodden ground of assumption that the stuff unanswered were of gods doing.
The tasks of science don't get easier with time.
I also made the point given somebody who was attempting to answer questions who could not, would default into the well trodden ground of assumption that the stuff unanswered were of gods doing.
What Newton believed about religion is one thing., what he proved about religion is something else.
Can zorro point to anything that Newton proved to be true about any religion ? ..
I don't know, let's see.
Can zorro point to anything that Newton proved to be true about any religion ? ..
I don't know, let's see.
That said, it is worth noting that Newton was English and that he was a Christian. So he lived in a society that was Christian and not some other society. This society and this religion produced Newton, and it produced England.
This great and beautiful country.
So that is why we should not be so quick to dismiss the beauty and hope of the Christian religion and message.
This great and beautiful country.
So that is why we should not be so quick to dismiss the beauty and hope of the Christian religion and message.
What I'm curious about and hopefully zorro will answer personally rather than vicariously is whether his faith actually manifests itself in every action in reality as being a conflict between good and evil?
So that everything good is the manifestation of God and everything bad has a tinge of Satan in?
Do you really believe zorro that anyone who has a different view to you to be a manifestation in concert with the devil perhaps without them even knowing it?
So that everything good is the manifestation of God and everything bad has a tinge of Satan in?
Do you really believe zorro that anyone who has a different view to you to be a manifestation in concert with the devil perhaps without them even knowing it?
What I'm curious about is why someone who has woken up and smelt the coffee, seen through the sham of religion in his teens, should go back to it in his mid-twenties. What happened to make him smell the fire and brimstone lapping at his posterior? I doubt that he will tell us.
Sometimes a thread gets too long that you can't be arsed reading it all. This is one such thread.
My favourite quote attributed to my favourite scientist.
“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.”
source: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/599193-you-can-t-convince-a-believer-of-anyt...
My favourite quote attributed to my favourite scientist.
“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.”
source: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/599193-you-can-t-convince-a-believer-of-anyt...
I have no fear of hell, that is gone. I cannot be snatched away from the Lord. I believe because God was willing to be the perfect sacrifice. He took every sin from us and he took in all that pain from us. The tree of life, the cross. the title on the cross in three languages. Aramaic, Latin and Greek. Jesus of Nazareth , King of the Jews.
He's the Future King.
Jesus would not overthrow the Romans so the Jews believing Isaiah and the other prophets said this is not the Messiah. The messiah will destroy evil and rule on the throne of David.
God's plan was always to take 6000 years. Jesus came 2000 years too soon? well NO. He came to drop seed, to give us all redemption. Billions of seeds germinating.
He said - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
What has the CHURCH(believers in Christ) done? Greater than the miracles of Jesus. They have saved souls.
You love Evolution and Man's systems. As John Hurt put it. I am not an animal I am a human being.
human (n.) Look up human at Dictionary.com
"a human being," 1530s, from human (adj.). Its Old English equivalent, guma, survives only in disguise in bridegroom.
I embrace the divinity, I have a soul,spirit and body. reinforced by the Holy spirit that renews my soul.
You're soul is corrupted with the virus of sin and you will not even consider the medicine. God cannot allow sin into his new creation and must sweep any that embrace it as a risk to the community.
to answer Foinavon - i said before further down... I have a brother, growing up we argued about God occasionally. Usually when the tv went off air in the seventies. the little white dot vanished and we would talk. I always thought religion was rubbish and I still do. I got sick of these arguments and looked to the bible to gain weapons to bash over his head. I'd dismantle the bible and using key phrases out of context beat God out of him.
It rebounded. Because Jesus is not a man. If you want to deny History. you can believe he was a man. If you want to deny his words which resonate and inspire. he was a man. But the whole book is unexplainable. All the authors? (40) because the book has an integrated woven message. a narrative with a very complex message. It speaks of the past and the future, past man in the future and hints to extra dimensions? it talks about space being stretched, light and time. every word is there for a reason. when you really explore it it opens into vast spaces. Mathew's gospel in it's construction with the number seven, has weird properties that defy explanation? but it's a small facet of the book.
Foinavon views the minds of primitive men as if they were idiots. The idiots are us. we sit in front of tv for hours and eat garbage pastes. We poison ourselves with toxins and call it advancement. We tamper with viruses and elements.
these authors over a thousand years of writing? what were they thinking did they have a rule book? Why does all their references match up with each other.
the blue letter bible shows a consistency in the terms.
now look at the god fables of the Greeks, which I liked to read as a child, interesting stories with nice little messages, like any other book. But they don't have extra dimensionality. Look at any book on any shelf? it's stories and some really badly constructed ones.
The ancient book has historicity, the Jews sit in rooms to this day and copy out their scrolls and if halfway through they make a mistake... they scrap the whole thing? To get one tiny mistake slip into their holy text is a no go area. Months of work scrapped for a moments slip.
You dismiss the words of God as an alien would dismiss a pile of diamonds to be just rocks. A treasure to be used as TP. So God's words will rebound on you. You've chosen separation from God. He gave you his words and you only saw that it impinged on your freedom to pursue sin.
He's the Future King.
Jesus would not overthrow the Romans so the Jews believing Isaiah and the other prophets said this is not the Messiah. The messiah will destroy evil and rule on the throne of David.
God's plan was always to take 6000 years. Jesus came 2000 years too soon? well NO. He came to drop seed, to give us all redemption. Billions of seeds germinating.
He said - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
What has the CHURCH(believers in Christ) done? Greater than the miracles of Jesus. They have saved souls.
You love Evolution and Man's systems. As John Hurt put it. I am not an animal I am a human being.
human (n.) Look up human at Dictionary.com
"a human being," 1530s, from human (adj.). Its Old English equivalent, guma, survives only in disguise in bridegroom.
I embrace the divinity, I have a soul,spirit and body. reinforced by the Holy spirit that renews my soul.
You're soul is corrupted with the virus of sin and you will not even consider the medicine. God cannot allow sin into his new creation and must sweep any that embrace it as a risk to the community.
to answer Foinavon - i said before further down... I have a brother, growing up we argued about God occasionally. Usually when the tv went off air in the seventies. the little white dot vanished and we would talk. I always thought religion was rubbish and I still do. I got sick of these arguments and looked to the bible to gain weapons to bash over his head. I'd dismantle the bible and using key phrases out of context beat God out of him.
It rebounded. Because Jesus is not a man. If you want to deny History. you can believe he was a man. If you want to deny his words which resonate and inspire. he was a man. But the whole book is unexplainable. All the authors? (40) because the book has an integrated woven message. a narrative with a very complex message. It speaks of the past and the future, past man in the future and hints to extra dimensions? it talks about space being stretched, light and time. every word is there for a reason. when you really explore it it opens into vast spaces. Mathew's gospel in it's construction with the number seven, has weird properties that defy explanation? but it's a small facet of the book.
Foinavon views the minds of primitive men as if they were idiots. The idiots are us. we sit in front of tv for hours and eat garbage pastes. We poison ourselves with toxins and call it advancement. We tamper with viruses and elements.
these authors over a thousand years of writing? what were they thinking did they have a rule book? Why does all their references match up with each other.
the blue letter bible shows a consistency in the terms.
now look at the god fables of the Greeks, which I liked to read as a child, interesting stories with nice little messages, like any other book. But they don't have extra dimensionality. Look at any book on any shelf? it's stories and some really badly constructed ones.
The ancient book has historicity, the Jews sit in rooms to this day and copy out their scrolls and if halfway through they make a mistake... they scrap the whole thing? To get one tiny mistake slip into their holy text is a no go area. Months of work scrapped for a moments slip.
You dismiss the words of God as an alien would dismiss a pile of diamonds to be just rocks. A treasure to be used as TP. So God's words will rebound on you. You've chosen separation from God. He gave you his words and you only saw that it impinged on your freedom to pursue sin.
LFC1971 - did you see the clip I left last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-s-KobZ64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-s-KobZ64
Foinavon views the minds of primitive men as if they were idiots.
Zorro keeps on misrepresenting me even when I've already corrected him. You can't believe a word he says.
This is what I replied the last time
Foinavon
Foinavon 26 Jan 17 23:27 Joined: 11 Oct 00 | Topic/replies: 5,739 | Blogger: Foinavon's blog
Where did I say that bronze age people were not as smart as people today?
We are the beneficiaries of the painstaking work of many thousands of scientists and a few inspired geniuses who discovered that the earth is not the fixed centre of the universe but revolves around a very ordinary star on the edge of a galaxy containing billions of other stars, our galaxy being one amongst billions of others. Men and women who discovered a myriad of other things not known to the bronze age tribes such as the cause of many natural phenomena, rainbows, earthquakes, volcanoes, the water cycle, thunder and lightening etc. In the bronze age, these were mainly attributed to the changing moods of deities. You can probably find examples in your book.
Zorro keeps on misrepresenting me even when I've already corrected him. You can't believe a word he says.
This is what I replied the last time
Foinavon
Foinavon 26 Jan 17 23:27 Joined: 11 Oct 00 | Topic/replies: 5,739 | Blogger: Foinavon's blog
Where did I say that bronze age people were not as smart as people today?
We are the beneficiaries of the painstaking work of many thousands of scientists and a few inspired geniuses who discovered that the earth is not the fixed centre of the universe but revolves around a very ordinary star on the edge of a galaxy containing billions of other stars, our galaxy being one amongst billions of others. Men and women who discovered a myriad of other things not known to the bronze age tribes such as the cause of many natural phenomena, rainbows, earthquakes, volcanoes, the water cycle, thunder and lightening etc. In the bronze age, these were mainly attributed to the changing moods of deities. You can probably find examples in your book.
Is anyone going to have a stab at the timeline I laid out?
from Isaiah to Jesus?
How is it possible?
Did it just happen? like the universe being here.. a big mystery.
from Isaiah to Jesus?
How is it possible?
Did it just happen? like the universe being here.. a big mystery.
It's pointless zorro.
The gospel writers were embellishing old stories. They knew of the prophecies and made the story fit in order to lend credibility.
Incidentally, Given the true church of Jesus is the Catholic Church, it means that only those who are Catholics today are actually following the Church that directly descended from Jesus. Everyone else, including you and me, are going to Hell. The good news is that it's all made up so we all will just die. Nothing to worry about.
The gospel writers were embellishing old stories. They knew of the prophecies and made the story fit in order to lend credibility.
Incidentally, Given the true church of Jesus is the Catholic Church, it means that only those who are Catholics today are actually following the Church that directly descended from Jesus. Everyone else, including you and me, are going to Hell. The good news is that it's all made up so we all will just die. Nothing to worry about.
Vaguely. But they killed him. It would have cheered him up enormously to know a bunch of intolerant old men elected him to be the son of god to further their perverted ends. There were dozens of gospels - all written/edited long after the events they described to suit the wishes of the writers/editors. The Council Of Nicea 325AD was the first big official edit. Bad luck for the Arianists (disliked by Vel) but it did prohibit self-castration so not all bad. The Dead Sea scrolls continue to illuminate the confusion.
Why didn't he just stop here ?,then when anybody tried to kill him it would make no difference as he would be resurrected
a few hours later then everyone could see him in person or on T.V. and not rely on an eye witness statements writteny a few
thousand years ago by disciples who thought it wrong to write the news down the same day or week but thought no I will release
the news a few years later..Sounds like fake news to me..
a few hours later then everyone could see him in person or on T.V. and not rely on an eye witness statements writteny a few
thousand years ago by disciples who thought it wrong to write the news down the same day or week but thought no I will release
the news a few years later..Sounds like fake news to me..
you all seem to think it's about providing proof. About exercising power. Jesus came to give us Grace. To save our souls. Not to reinforce the physical world.
the world gets a short reprieve of a thousand years to tie up loose ends.
then it's redundant. Back to the spiritual realm.
Do you really think anything could live in a physical world for eternity. I'm bored after fifty years. God's promised heaven is like nothing dreamt of by man.
We see God as he truly is? that implies man will be in higher dimensions.
So a Jewish book 2000 years old is dealing with things that are beyond modern science now.
the gospels that were picked to be in the bible had the holy spirit in them.
the spirit of truth.
Other gospels were rejected by the spirit.
the book of Enoch also did not make it in.
Foinavon - the catholic church is not the original church - Saul aka Paul - said call no man Father. God is your father. The people who believe in christ are the church. the temple is the people. Religion is a man made system part of the anti christ system 666.
religion 6 a system of man
politic/finance 6 a system of man
law 6 a system of man
All of these systems control man. They condemn man. It's a shortfall of God's perfection.
God's number is seven in the bible.
Religion is a middleman that is unnecessary - talk to god, who is your father. Not to some clown in a costume.
the world gets a short reprieve of a thousand years to tie up loose ends.
then it's redundant. Back to the spiritual realm.
Do you really think anything could live in a physical world for eternity. I'm bored after fifty years. God's promised heaven is like nothing dreamt of by man.
We see God as he truly is? that implies man will be in higher dimensions.
So a Jewish book 2000 years old is dealing with things that are beyond modern science now.
the gospels that were picked to be in the bible had the holy spirit in them.
the spirit of truth.
Other gospels were rejected by the spirit.
the book of Enoch also did not make it in.
Foinavon - the catholic church is not the original church - Saul aka Paul - said call no man Father. God is your father. The people who believe in christ are the church. the temple is the people. Religion is a man made system part of the anti christ system 666.
religion 6 a system of man
politic/finance 6 a system of man
law 6 a system of man
All of these systems control man. They condemn man. It's a shortfall of God's perfection.
God's number is seven in the bible.
Religion is a middleman that is unnecessary - talk to god, who is your father. Not to some clown in a costume.
explanation please?
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be. pierced. a sin offering.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes into Jerusalem to the day. Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus. - when the jews return to the land from babylon, after the temple re dedication - the clock starts ticking.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? in 670 AD. how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Why is Jesus provoking such a response anyway - Is he stopping you doing something. Is he the fly in your ointment?
Perhaps sin is controlling you - not Jesus and you prefer that master.
Isaiah (700 years before Christ) gives a description of the messiah. What his actions will be. pierced. a sin offering.
Daniel does the same and goes further - he tells you when he comes into Jerusalem to the day. Daniel lived 500 years before Jesus. - when the jews return to the land from babylon, after the temple re dedication - the clock starts ticking.
skip 300 years - Ptolomy II of Egypt, ancestor to Ptolomy(alexanders General who inherited Egypt from Alexander's empire)
Ptolomy translates all the jewish old testament books from Hebrew to Greek, greek being a more precise language. Both Hebrew texts and the Septuagint(greek) exist today.
Still 200 years before Christ makes an appearance.
in 33 AD - Jesus enters the gate of Jerusalem (later walled up by the muslims to stop the jewish messiah ? in 670 AD. how dumb are these guys?) Palm Sunday - the crowd declare Jesus king and the messiah. three days later he is executed.
proof of God ?
How do you orchestrate the whole of history ? from 700 BC ? Who is that clever, what cabal of super geniuses are doing it?
All to get you into a pew on a sunday and stare at some old guys head?
Why is Jesus provoking such a response anyway - Is he stopping you doing something. Is he the fly in your ointment?
Perhaps sin is controlling you - not Jesus and you prefer that master.
Oh wtf, it's all a complete load of bollox. There's nothing miraculous and you're all going to die. And everybody will be really, really thankful.
The religious squabble over meaning and misinterpretation continually....except when they fashion something to make it more palatable.
All this 666 makes me think of how the internet was claimed by some as being the devil (WWW) or that roman numerals were lambasted as the devils work....but ultimately they all come round and fall in line in the end.
Like Christopher Hitchens used to say, the only evidence given was to illiterate scribes in a backward land and the resurrection witnessed by a minority who society would never have believed even then.
Zorro you never answered whether you deem all the actions and bad things as satans work and everything good and beautiful being directly attributable to God?
People can be influenced to see what they want to see. You could give a chemical catalyst to invoke euphoria in a human and change the perception of the same event into radically different outcomes.
Ive had chemical highs that had I not known different I could have interpreted as being heaven itself, and the result made everything else look rosy and beautiful.
All this 666 makes me think of how the internet was claimed by some as being the devil (WWW) or that roman numerals were lambasted as the devils work....but ultimately they all come round and fall in line in the end.
Like Christopher Hitchens used to say, the only evidence given was to illiterate scribes in a backward land and the resurrection witnessed by a minority who society would never have believed even then.
Zorro you never answered whether you deem all the actions and bad things as satans work and everything good and beautiful being directly attributable to God?
People can be influenced to see what they want to see. You could give a chemical catalyst to invoke euphoria in a human and change the perception of the same event into radically different outcomes.
Ive had chemical highs that had I not known different I could have interpreted as being heaven itself, and the result made everything else look rosy and beautiful.
I don't blame Satan for any evil? Samael is a fallen spirit. the spirit that tests man.
He gives us the opportunity, that's all. We have the choice with everything else to do good or evil. Samael orchestrates opportunity for you. He's a smart adversary. He gives you other beliefs and other roads and diversions to keep you away from God.
No one comes to the father but by me. To know the father you need to know the son.
One path to God.
Mortal, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and the guardian cherub drove you out from among the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you profaned your sanctuaries. So I brought out fire from within you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever (Ezekiel 28:12-19).
The prophet is speaking to the power behind the King of Tyr (called Lebanon)- The power behind the thrones.
When looking at past wars you see something that to me is obvious. We are friends with Germany and Japan but enemies to Russia? We killed millions of Germans and Japanese 70 years ago. Our allies in that war are now the 'bad guys' all these conflicts are engineered to draw young men into a hate trap. We see glory in War, not in keeping the peace. The USA has over a thousand bases around the world. That's an empire. The UK has the commonwealth and holds lands still from their empire. the french too. the Russians.
All of these nations have a power behind their thrones. Imbuing their kingdoms with earthly power. You fight or you are put in jail? Who takes away your choice? Is it Jesus? If they call you up and you don't go you become a traitor to your country.
there is a commandment that people misquote a lot - Thou shalt not Kill.. It's actually thou shalt not murder. The difference is subtle. It's about intent. you kill to protect but murder is a destroying act. a soul destroyer. Many soldiers return broken men from war, because a wall in their mind has been destroyed. Seeing men savaged, mutilated by themselves or the enemy is the ultimate curse. Those that live by the sword die by the sword. It releases something in a man that cannot be put back. Man is treated like an animal. To be slaughtered. The soul cannot deal with it and stay the same.
Satan has corrupted them and condemns them. He does this with every man. he gives us different games and diversions. Wars, theft, lust, religion, money, etc. These things are not evil but they are perverted into evil. Lust is the perversion of love. Religions are the perversion of Faith in God. Man enters into these realms and uses Satan's inspiration to corrupt everything good.
this is the way of the world. a fallen world that was corrupted. But God sent us the perfect lamb sacrifice that takes away the sins of the world. The tree of knowledge of good and evil has damned us. The tree of life (the cross) saves us. It redeems us.
you can choose condemnation or Grace. No action by man can save him. Only christ's action gives us a free pardon. Accept the pardon and you are free from condemnation.
He gives us the opportunity, that's all. We have the choice with everything else to do good or evil. Samael orchestrates opportunity for you. He's a smart adversary. He gives you other beliefs and other roads and diversions to keep you away from God.
No one comes to the father but by me. To know the father you need to know the son.
One path to God.
Mortal, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and the guardian cherub drove you out from among the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you profaned your sanctuaries. So I brought out fire from within you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever (Ezekiel 28:12-19).
The prophet is speaking to the power behind the King of Tyr (called Lebanon)- The power behind the thrones.
When looking at past wars you see something that to me is obvious. We are friends with Germany and Japan but enemies to Russia? We killed millions of Germans and Japanese 70 years ago. Our allies in that war are now the 'bad guys' all these conflicts are engineered to draw young men into a hate trap. We see glory in War, not in keeping the peace. The USA has over a thousand bases around the world. That's an empire. The UK has the commonwealth and holds lands still from their empire. the french too. the Russians.
All of these nations have a power behind their thrones. Imbuing their kingdoms with earthly power. You fight or you are put in jail? Who takes away your choice? Is it Jesus? If they call you up and you don't go you become a traitor to your country.
there is a commandment that people misquote a lot - Thou shalt not Kill.. It's actually thou shalt not murder. The difference is subtle. It's about intent. you kill to protect but murder is a destroying act. a soul destroyer. Many soldiers return broken men from war, because a wall in their mind has been destroyed. Seeing men savaged, mutilated by themselves or the enemy is the ultimate curse. Those that live by the sword die by the sword. It releases something in a man that cannot be put back. Man is treated like an animal. To be slaughtered. The soul cannot deal with it and stay the same.
Satan has corrupted them and condemns them. He does this with every man. he gives us different games and diversions. Wars, theft, lust, religion, money, etc. These things are not evil but they are perverted into evil. Lust is the perversion of love. Religions are the perversion of Faith in God. Man enters into these realms and uses Satan's inspiration to corrupt everything good.
this is the way of the world. a fallen world that was corrupted. But God sent us the perfect lamb sacrifice that takes away the sins of the world. The tree of knowledge of good and evil has damned us. The tree of life (the cross) saves us. It redeems us.
you can choose condemnation or Grace. No action by man can save him. Only christ's action gives us a free pardon. Accept the pardon and you are free from condemnation.
also - for illiterate primitive people? they have a nice turn of phrase? The bible has lasted two thousand years and there are billions of copies in circulation.
even Harry potter hasn't got that much traction.
even Harry potter hasn't got that much traction.
It's a great story Zorro and may have some truths but it's also a book of hearsay and spoken stories that were passed down before writing. I think you have to take that into consideration when reading it. The New Testament was written and compiled many years after Jesus died. I don't know about you but I can't remember last week 
BTW Zorro, could you quote your C/P sources? I'd like to differentiate what is yours from someone else's.
BTW Zorro, could you quote your C/P sources? I'd like to differentiate what is yours from someone else's.
I will send you the holy spirit - the helper ? the holy spirit wrote the texts. In all cases. Old testament and new. Through the prophets. those texts that were judged to be nonspiritual never made it into the book.
The holy spirit is still here and Jesus will not return till it withdraws. While it is here people will be saved.
It's not spoken stories if they write them down? The Jewish old testament was translated to Greek by Ptolemy the second from Hebrew. two centuries before Christ. It had been around for over a thousand years in Hebrew.
book of JOB is referenced by Ezekiel - thought to the oldest of the chapters.Part of the Tanakh. first books of the OT.
Isaiah 700bc
Daniel 500 bc
Only copies from the first century exist to this day from the new testament, but there might have been other writings lost in time. nobody knows who wrote them because nobody cared for authorship back then. The apostles might be the authors? nobody knows. The holy spirit descended on them and they could speak in tongues. Would writing be that difficult an action to imbue upon the apostles? But it's not important, people focus on trivial nothings? pedantic BS looking for proof. It's about faith? Nobody questions who wrote about the Buddha or any other religions to this extent. Because they know it's the word of God. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
You are here arguing there is no God. If you know this as a fact? Why contest with people who are deluded? Go live your life. Without any restrictions. Get out your bucket list and start ticking them off. Carpe Diem. seize the day. pluck the fruit. Get it all done before you die.
The holy spirit is still here and Jesus will not return till it withdraws. While it is here people will be saved.
It's not spoken stories if they write them down? The Jewish old testament was translated to Greek by Ptolemy the second from Hebrew. two centuries before Christ. It had been around for over a thousand years in Hebrew.
book of JOB is referenced by Ezekiel - thought to the oldest of the chapters.Part of the Tanakh. first books of the OT.
Isaiah 700bc
Daniel 500 bc
Only copies from the first century exist to this day from the new testament, but there might have been other writings lost in time. nobody knows who wrote them because nobody cared for authorship back then. The apostles might be the authors? nobody knows. The holy spirit descended on them and they could speak in tongues. Would writing be that difficult an action to imbue upon the apostles? But it's not important, people focus on trivial nothings? pedantic BS looking for proof. It's about faith? Nobody questions who wrote about the Buddha or any other religions to this extent. Because they know it's the word of God. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
You are here arguing there is no God. If you know this as a fact? Why contest with people who are deluded? Go live your life. Without any restrictions. Get out your bucket list and start ticking them off. Carpe Diem. seize the day. pluck the fruit. Get it all done before you die.
I don't PM anyone, I'm a good boy I am. (Eliza Doolittle.)
You still haven't answered the question zorro, except each time you just go on with the chapter and verse of stuff you are told.
Im not asking if you hold anything against satan i am asking if you think the actions of others who dont agree with what you believe are influenced by evil?
In relation to the things we see around us, are they manifestations of the devil?
Are all the atheists etc acting out the devils deeds?
Also what is fundamentally daft is to suggest that a person is responsible for loving something or somebody.
The act of love isnt controlled by the giver its controlled by the receiver.
If you love somebody you dont chose to love them, you love them as a result of the other person.
So to that end you cant force yourself to love something until you know it first absolutely exists.
Its like willing an erection, you either get turned on by something or you dont, you cant force yourself to be turned on.
Im not asking if you hold anything against satan i am asking if you think the actions of others who dont agree with what you believe are influenced by evil?
In relation to the things we see around us, are they manifestations of the devil?
Are all the atheists etc acting out the devils deeds?
Also what is fundamentally daft is to suggest that a person is responsible for loving something or somebody.
The act of love isnt controlled by the giver its controlled by the receiver.
If you love somebody you dont chose to love them, you love them as a result of the other person.
So to that end you cant force yourself to love something until you know it first absolutely exists.
Its like willing an erection, you either get turned on by something or you dont, you cant force yourself to be turned on.
dustybin..........its taken you all this time to realise zorro never gives your an answer to any question posed........the man has all the makings of a great politician or great criminal
we choose - free will
the whole of the old testament is that in every situation people choose evil.
King Solomon, David, every man falls from the face of the law. Therefore no man can come to God. Except by God's Grace. hence - Jesus. God's answer to sin.
You all want to embrace rules and laws. the rule of law. the way of the world. Without it we'll have anarchy?
So fill your boots. Fill in the bucket list. Get it all done. experience it all. and avoid God.
the whole of the old testament is that in every situation people choose evil.
King Solomon, David, every man falls from the face of the law. Therefore no man can come to God. Except by God's Grace. hence - Jesus. God's answer to sin.
You all want to embrace rules and laws. the rule of law. the way of the world. Without it we'll have anarchy?
So fill your boots. Fill in the bucket list. Get it all done. experience it all. and avoid God.
ma real name is Richard Dawkins...
welcome to eternity... mofossss. hahahahaha
welcome to eternity... mofossss. hahahahaha
So then are we all doing satans work unknowingly yes or no?
You don't love God, you love the idea of God since everything you think you know and love about him/Jesus is what is told you in other people's accounts, so you can't love more than the impression since you've never had any personal interaction....unless you have first hand experience through contact?
The whole of your testimony is infact itself false witness and judgmental, the very things you are told not to do.
You are the snake eating its own tail.
You don't love God, you love the idea of God since everything you think you know and love about him/Jesus is what is told you in other people's accounts, so you can't love more than the impression since you've never had any personal interaction....unless you have first hand experience through contact?
The whole of your testimony is infact itself false witness and judgmental, the very things you are told not to do.
You are the snake eating its own tail.
I actually have had first hand knowledge of Jesus. But I'm not sharing that with unclean spirits online.
The idea of Jesus on the cross is deeply painful to myself and other people in the church. He(god) took all our abuse, to redeem us.
He's still taking it from ungrateful schwabs.
Get back to the bucket list - you have to experience it all before you die.
swim with the dolphins, or sharks. eat chilli dogs on everest. pull the puddin infront of queen isabella. get it all done. don't miss out.
is it the standard 100 list? if you do it all what then... make a new list?
The idea of Jesus on the cross is deeply painful to myself and other people in the church. He(god) took all our abuse, to redeem us.
He's still taking it from ungrateful schwabs.
Get back to the bucket list - you have to experience it all before you die.
swim with the dolphins, or sharks. eat chilli dogs on everest. pull the puddin infront of queen isabella. get it all done. don't miss out.
is it the standard 100 list? if you do it all what then... make a new list?
As apposed to casting aspersions based on stuff you never witnessed while being told to absorb other peoples' wrong doings and living in penury while those involved in creating your subservience pursue their own malevolence on children under the shadow of the church you mean?
Anyway zorro
I dont wish you ill will, you seem to believe you get something greater than the sum of the parts and all power to you.
I just cant see how it starts unless its built on the back of doing right and the picture of self satisfaction grows from there.
either way it seems my humouring of you is pretty much the only thing keeping this thread going, others seem to have relinquished interest in your interpretations so there I will leave it.
I dont wish you ill will, you seem to believe you get something greater than the sum of the parts and all power to you.
I just cant see how it starts unless its built on the back of doing right and the picture of self satisfaction grows from there.
either way it seems my humouring of you is pretty much the only thing keeping this thread going, others seem to have relinquished interest in your interpretations so there I will leave it.
I don't believe in organized religions. I've stated they are unnecessary middlemen. Jesus says to gather in his name for fellowship. That's all.
It's not just the church - the police figures say that 1 in 500 people in the general population is a paedophile?
There is a woman on Ytube that describes their activities to a tea.
Anne Bernhardt.
Narcissists. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeHhl_Lhsk&t=1555s)
that's every profession - don't just focus on churches.
Muhammad married a six year old and consummated the marriage at nine. ?
It's common practice in Muslim nations to marry off underage children in this century.
It's not just the church - the police figures say that 1 in 500 people in the general population is a paedophile?
There is a woman on Ytube that describes their activities to a tea.
Anne Bernhardt.
Narcissists. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeHhl_Lhsk&t=1555s)
that's every profession - don't just focus on churches.
Muhammad married a six year old and consummated the marriage at nine. ?
It's common practice in Muslim nations to marry off underage children in this century.
The historical evidence for Jesus himself is extraordinarily good. …. From time to time people try to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, but virtually all historians of whatever background now agree that he did
NT Wright, Oxford & St Andrews Universities, in the Guardian
thy kingdom comes. thy will is gonna be done. On earth as it is in heaven.
the grace period is over chumps - the fullness of the gentiles is coming quick.
Go to your bucket lists ( see hawks - timothy Dalton) (see Jack and Morgan rehash Tim's film too)
Do it all and do it now - the window is closing in a little while. Chucky cheese is closing down.
NT Wright, Oxford & St Andrews Universities, in the Guardian
thy kingdom comes. thy will is gonna be done. On earth as it is in heaven.
the grace period is over chumps - the fullness of the gentiles is coming quick.
Go to your bucket lists ( see hawks - timothy Dalton) (see Jack and Morgan rehash Tim's film too)
Do it all and do it now - the window is closing in a little while. Chucky cheese is closing down.
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