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did jesus of the new testament exist??
did jesus of the new testament exist??
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Andrea Jaeger - now a nun
 - says she eased up on Navratilova because she didn't want to hurt her... ...why stop at mere gambling?...this could RUIN all sports!! |
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Yeah - that's a cracker - you want an explanation for that too...?
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Apparently it's just in there to highlight stuff you could do but shouldn't.
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" Rubens masterpiece sets Christie’s record...
Lot and His Daughters sells for £44,882,500 — the highest price ever achieved for an Old Master painting at Christie’s — following an electrifying bidding battle An exceptional early work by Peter Paul Rubens, Lot and His Daughters, led Christie’s Old Master and British Paintings Evening Sale on 7 July, realising £44,882,500 /$58,167,720 after an intense battle between four bidders which lasted for an electrifying 14 minutes. " Don't think the mods would let me post it...  |
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No - the Bible doesn't condemn what happened....remember, the 10 commandments hadn't arrived yet...and surprisingly, the Bible doesn't condemn gambling either...but you're left to draw your own conclusions by the outworking of events.
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It'll be them damned grapes.....
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Yass...
 http://www.christies.com/features/Rubens-Lot-and-His-Daughters-sets-Christies-record-7554-3.aspx |
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I wasn't looking for distinct 'thou shall not gamble' definition, but the whole work strikes me to be about not skinning one another given a sniff, I guess that's where the cart and horses of ambiguity comes in handy?
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That's a lovely photo Vel.
CuBoNe left the forum more times than Ron Russian, each time more excruciatingly tearful than the previous one. I suspect he was a bit of a rogue, perhaps the case for most bookmakers. Dusty poses some good questions but Zorro sidesteps with strange quotes. We are not going anywhere with this.  |
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Well, you know the old caveat at auctions, LET THE BUYER BEWARE, and in gambling, people bet of their own free will.
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So I'm doing gods work in punishing the feckless.....phew
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I've got a photo of Cubone from a monthly gambling magazine. I told him I'd paint his portrait but I never got around to it... I started it, but the canvas had a weird surface texture and I abandoned it after doing the underpainting. He looked a bit like Ian McShane in the film Sexy Beast...an older version...
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Out on interest is that guy dead now?
Been years since I've seen reference to his name and from recollection he had mounting health issues and eyesight probs He had a website with daily musings I remember but I'm an IR throat cutter so non of it meant much to me. |
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Yes, he is dead. I recall several forumites knew him personally, Butler I think his name was.
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Flippin' eck...an IR throat cutter...hope Persian Punch and Hurricane Run caught you out a few times...
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Only fools deny the Lord
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Hope young Lizzie Kelly
 caught ye oot on Agrapart a few weeks ago, when the other jockey lost his stirrup... |
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Foin.I have been caught out plenty in one way or another over the last 15 and more years Vel but if I were a wallflower and pus sy arount dwelling on trivialities then I'd just be another skint guesser. I've seen it all ways both good and bad but the scars heal double quick and get forgotten even quicker. I'm no connoisseur of racing, infact I hate the sport but money is attractive. |
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Dusty, I've been checking and there's still a profile for Don Butler (bookmaker) on linkedin. I recall reading a post on here which said he had passed away but I have no other evidence of this. Will trawl some more to try and find confirmation.
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I probs conversed on here briefly as I would others but I never really knew him.
It does sound vaguely familiar now I think about it being mentioned of his passing, but if I kept a ledger of such news I'd be even more cynical than I am already. |
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I'm a Romantic - I bloody love flat racing but as Foinavon mentioned Cecil earlier, the spark went out, or the flame dulled, when he died. To think he was a Scotsman too...a posh Scot...
btw - if you want to target gambling, what about the feckin' insurance industry and the casino banking?? Where do you stop? In the book Don Butler sent me, the author's main complaint was that gamblers aren't making or creating a physical thing, but that's not really true, as, say, horse racing, is a full blown industry employing many people. I remember reading that one of the old-time Rothschild ladies was very upset at her sons for spending so much time at the races, which she considered to be a trivial past-time. |
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I followed racing for years but eventually got fed up with giving my money to bookmakers. When Betfair came along I found that I could make a profit from my knowledge of cricket so gave up the horses completely. Now I can't even tell you who won the Grand National last year.
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btw - there is a court case going on in Scotland at the moment about a 72 year old man and a well known bookie...he bet £100 on Rangers to be relegated at 2500-1 and he is expecting the full pay-out...
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I'm not suggesting people would recall stuff I've banged on about on here for years but there will be a few I'm sure who's sick to death of reading my references to Diogenes et al.
I don't target racing, I've always said that the rhetoric trumpeted by our society that opportunism is virtuous, when infact its con artistry with a veneer of respectability simply because it finances economies, is to blame....and that its rife through out each sector, it's just as is the case with gambling it's the lowest common denominator, a base version of capitalism that's not the sport of kings but the den of thieves. |
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I backed all the Gigginstown runners so I was shouting home the winner -- I wouldn't back a lady jockey again in that race after watching Katy Walsh getting pinged 30 yards in a totally horizontal direction, like something out of a road runner cartoon...
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This is one of my favourite drawings, The Gambler by Odilon Redon
https://www.wikiart.org/en/odilon-redon/the-gambler-1879 |
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You are right, Dusty...actually, that's what Jesus said about the money grabbers in the Temple - that they were a den of thieves. Something like gambling is Capitalism in the raw, you're right about that.
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Wow - that is some drawing, Foinavon...carrying the big dice...never seen that before...
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You might like the film Mississippi Grind, Fion.
Sums gambling up. I heard about the Rangers bet Vel, opportunism is a chancer, it cares not which side it's on. As Diogenes said 'I look for an honest man......' I'm away now, night chaps |
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And the David and Goliath drawing down the page...giant heid...
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Dusty - do you think he should be paid out, or is he just a chancer?
Personally, I would have tried to reach some sort of agreement with the bookie...C were maybe greedy to take the bet, as collapse of Rangers was on the horizon...palpable error... ?? |
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I'd have the same outlook about both the bookie and the punter as I would a man Utd v Liverpool match; shame they couldn't both lose.
Yes he's a chancer IMO and yes punters get played every bit as badly by the machinations of insidious bookmaking and marketing.....think he'd need an awful lot of your leap of faith to collect on that one, but I suspect the vulture in the law firms have been licking their thin lips at the prospect of another Caracas. |
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"Give me 10k and we'll call it quits..."
Then you don't go to court and everyone is KINDA happy. |
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There is no leap of faith...From the Greek : "Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things not yet seen."
I watched a documentary last week about Chernobyl, and the gamma rays are unseen yet they radiate just the same. |
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It's a.....THING!
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Redon did some strange stuff. I posted my copy of "The Raven" on the drawing thread some time ago. He worked for years in black and white then one day burst into colour. He did some touching portraits too, I especially like one he did of his wife.
Haven't seen that film Dusty, will look out for it. |
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A real one-off. Great variation in his work.
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This portrait of Marie Botkine is superb. He was an excellent pastellist.
http://krollermuller.nl/en/odilon-redon-marie-botkine-in-an-astrakhan-coat |
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That is a thing of beauty.
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My favourite pastel artist is Jean Etienne Liotard.
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