Christianity wasn't the first attempt...........there were others that were rejected......doesn't that tell you everything

1\33 no               11\2 yes

uunless you're in a card game with breedingmad and richard dawkins my advice is to stop gambling!
even Facts has outsmarted you on this one.

polybot.......are you a believer.............you sound stupid enough to be one

brucie is alive now..

is he though?

I know he looks 2000 but comparing something historical with brucie and jesus shows how stupid yoeu are

poly.........you know the gospels were written long after jesus.......don't you??

Where did I compare what happened in 1970 with 2000 years ago ?

thought you implied that there were plenty of documents to support a real jesus???

not much of a fly fisherman, so won't string you along any more.

tacitus, the annals, 15 44

My point was there were loads of messiahs not just one.

IT"S ALL DOTS AND NO DASHES! I CAN"T FIGURE IT OUT

think you lost me when you brought brucie into the mix...........

My understanding is the Gospels were written relatively soon after the death of Jesus ( assuming as I am that he existed )
What did take 100s of years was sorting out which documents should go into the "official" New Testament. There are other Gospels around for instance in the Apocrypha.
The concept of a Messiah was introduced by the Old Testament prophets after the fall of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah and was originally seen as a political/military leader. There have been a number of supposed Messiahs and no doubt countless others who have not been recorded. Most Jews are still waiting for the genuine one ( as they would see it ).

When did the first Christmas start?

The messiah's job description is listed in Isaiah 61.
When Jesus walked into the synagogue in 30 AD at the start of his ministry?
he read from the Isaiah scroll.

He paused a little way though and put the scroll down, he then said this day prophecy is fulfilled and they chased him out of the synagogue. He fulfilled only that part he read out.

The Year of the Lord’s Favor

61 The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
    because the Lord has anointed me
    to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    to proclaim freedom for the captives
    and release from darkness for the prisoners,[a]
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to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor

gap of two thousand years - the rest of Isaiah is to be completed at his return.

It's a two parter gentlemen....

and the day of vengeance of our God,to comfort all who mourn,
and provide for those who grieve in Zion—to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,the oil of joy(holy spirit)instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,a planting of the Lord
for the display of his splendor.They will rebuild the ancient ruins
and restore the places long devastated; they will renew the ruined cities
that have been devastated for generations. Strangers will shepherd your flocks;
foreigners will work your fields and vineyards.And you will be called priests of the Lord,
you will be named ministers of our God.You will feed on the wealth of nations,
and in their riches you will boast.Instead of your shame you will receive a double portion,
and instead of disgrace you will rejoice in your inheritance.And so you will inherit a double portion in your land, and everlasting joy will be yours.
“For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing.In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them. Their descendants will be known among the nations and their offspring among the peoples.
All who see them will acknowledge that they are a people the Lord has blessed.”
I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness,
as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels. For as the soil makes the sprout come up and a garden causes seeds to grow,
so the Sovereign Lord will make righteousness and praise spring up before all nations.

but you don't want that?(chris tarrant) coz yer mad or bad or dangerous to know?

The original question is the wrong one. It's not "did" (past tense) Jesus exist. It's "does" (present tense) Jesus exist, for if He didn't rise from the dead, then it wouldn't matter whether He "did" exist. So does Jesus exist? YES! That's well proven. For example, demons can be cast out in the name of Jesus. They don't respect the name of Mohhammed, or Krishna, or Buddha, or the Dalai Lama, or any pope, or Horus or Mithra or Tammuz or any of the other countless counterfeit christs who unlike Jesus were born on December 25th, or Jehovah (Jehovah's Witnesses don't do it), or not even the name of Elvis. But they fear the name of Jesus. I've witnessed that countless times. Likewise, attempted alien abductions can be stopped in the name of Jesus. This is all well documented. There is power in the name of Jesus. This is proof that Jesus is who he says He is and that He rose from the dead, for a dead man wouldn't have power and authority over a maggot, let alone over evil spirits. Jesus passed on the authority He had over demons and sicknesses on to the church, but unfortunately today in the western world most of the church is in a state of dead apostasy and isn't exercising the authority it's been given.

born in October 4 BC - died 33 AD
changed the world from a cross.
only purpose at that time was to replace the sacrifice for sins.

an eternal advocate for mankind, at the right side of God.
the left side of the court is the opposition.
next time you look at a courtroom drama the defence is on the right side of the judge.
the prosecution on the left.

you are being judged, you might not like it, but it's happening.
you get judged by teachers at school. by universities. by your job interviewer. by your employer, then they give you an obituary when you die, summing up your performance for the entire life. So why be pissed off by God, when he does it.

I hated church, i squirmed and counted out the hour. when i was sixteen I was free not to go and i've only been back for funerals. The churches are dead. They don't preach Christ, they preach family values.
You and I - the people are the church. Paul tells you this in the bible.
Call no man father. So why go into a church to listen to father murphy?

you talk to Christ, who is your advocate.

you say you have read your bible and understand it? that's remarkable. because there are men who analyze it all their life. There is a blue letter bible, that analyzes the meaning of the words. If you read a passage you probably aren't aware it uses figurative speech that turns what you are reading into another story. You think you are reading about "maidens and oil lamps" - but it's really about grace and the holy spirit.

Going to church is a waste of time - open the book and read - because the delay is at an end. Christ is returning. the world knows this and is preparing you for battle. It's polarizing people through hollywood films and news broadcasts. getting you ready for what is coming.

first twenty minutes of Superman vs Batman, dawn of justice.

holy wood propaganda to prepare the masses....

There was a time above. A time before. There were perfect things,
diamond absolutes.  How things fall.  Things on earth.
And what falls... Master Wayne!... ...is fallen.
In the dream, they took me to the light.  A beautiful lie.
Jack, listen to me.I want you to get everyone
out of the building right now.  You understand?
Oh, my god. Stay away  from the windows!
Heavenly god,creator of heaven and earth,have mercy on my soul.
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Oh, my god.I can't move my leg. My god.  I can't feel my legs.
It's okay. You're gonna be okay.
All that wind is bad luck. Blood in the sky.
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Where's heron? Not a god damn thing. I like Heron.

(Heron - How to Give Back to the Gods.. Heron of Alexandria, ARDEA also earth goddess in Greek.
The name Ardea Herodotus is the Linnaean classification for the heron.
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Talon's down, sir. (Talos or Talon was a giant automaton made of bronze to protect Europa in Crete from pirates and invaders)
Python, we have lost our asset on the ground. Like the sky cracked open.
(Python was the serpent, sometimes represented as a dragon, living at the centre of the earth, believed by the ancient Greeks to be at Delphi).

He came down.Then came fire. Even worse came after. The government attacked.
No mercy in the villages. My parents tried to run.
The world has been so caught up with what superman can do that no one has asked what he should do.
Let the record show that this committee holds him responsible.
He'll never  answer to you. He answers to no one. Not even, I think, to god.

you can't prove the bible... BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-XqAHZiDRo

Chuck Missler - this man oversaw deals in the technology sector for fifty years.
Western digital hard drive in your computer? he was the boss.