totally disagree Aussie altho u r probably just trying to get a bite off Lets

just think G Hall gets them going a lot better

In the last decade there has been 1 Craig that has been top grade, hardly a decent strike rate.

These country class horses just become stars over there. The horse pool is extremely weak

No point going back 20+ years Craig, it's an illogical argument.

In the last 10 years there has been 1 good horse from there, the rest of your list is long ago.

And you can't dispute all of these Eastern state horses that go there go from being country horses to stars almost every time. The horse pool is terrible

for the amount of NZ stock that goes over there i don't think they have much to show for it.

And with the exception of David Hercules, i can't think of one WA bred horse that gone on to do anything?

Last 15 years inters winners:

Qld 4 same horse
WA 4 two horses
NZ 3 individuals
NSW 2  individuals
Vic 1
Tas 1

Hardly a recommendation for the so called power states.

yep, to his credit he turned the tables from the last time they met, maybe because he's racing better? maybe because of the inside of the track? maybe because he was better on the night?... who knows

that should have read as better than those horses last night

But who are these horses he's beating, never heard of them

how could Northview Punter have improved when the last time he raced David Hercules (feb 21) DH sat outside him and couldn't beat him?

mmmm...

If you're going to make a smart arrse comment gatespeed do yourself a favour and at least go back and watch the replay first in future as you might then avoid making, how shall we say this, an error in judgment?

I was pretty sure It had worked hard as when I saw who had won the race as Hokonui is one of my favourite horses as he's been very good to me and thought he was massive overs that night given his run in the inters heat at his first start for Aldo and how the race was likely to be run. I still went back and checked the replay though just to confirm what I had thought had occurred. Yes I have a photographic memory for horse and things I want to remember plus useless trivia but can't remember when asked to turn the oven on at 4.30pm, as can be very absent minded.
Apologies as thought you were trying to be smart arrse.
Am well aware where you can find the trials,  I often exchange views with a few who watch them but unless I'm there to see them for myself which I haven't done for ages or watch them on video I consider them but don't give them too much weight unless the time are quick, however I pay far more attention to gallops trials and have found many, many, winners out of them. I don't bet on trots when there's not a lot of exposed form unless I specifically know something.

Plus at the trots if you know certain trainers patterns and certain horses you pretty much know how they're likely to perform first up.

Lloydy I know this forum is mainly populated with Victorian harness people and my comments may upset a few but your comment is plainly ridiculous in my opinion

For all the hype around every promising Victorian youngster which is always going to be a superstar Victoria fares no better at the top echelon than any other state.

I had a list of 10 WA horses over the years and there is no way Victoria could match it

I am of no doubt both David Hercules and Northview Punter will compete very well over the next few years against Victoria's best let alone be $5 in a Ballarat FFA but time will tell

Just as an aside what a cracking race it was on Friday night and whilst David Hercules did it tougher and triumphed Northview Punter was first up and will go a lot better when 100% fit

Judging by the way the trial watchers were spruiking it craig I would say Northview which invariably goes well fresh was pretty forward on friday night

on face value craig think Northview may have come back a bit stronger and more mature racehorse but time will tell as there's no doubt at times he's shown real potential but has also been very disappointing on occasion.

Craig ............. in a race from even draws how would you price up David Hercules against Keayang Cullen and Restrepo?

I would say something like:

KC 1.7
RE 6.0
DH 6.5

leaving a little % for the rest

I think Lloydy quoted unders DH actually

lloydy I agree keyang is going well but Restrepo clearly isn't at this stage of his prep and appears well below his best and am yet to see anything from Magical Telf that suggest he's a real top horse for mine, (albeit I haven't seen  a lot of Magical Telf but what I've seen certainly hasn't grabbed me) Keyang got a 61.2 first half that's walking in anyone's language for that class of horse in front well at least it is in WA so naturally he's run home very quick as you would expect a horse of ability to do with that sort of run in front.

Give David Hercules the same run in front and he wins just as easily if not easier for mine.

Think Keyang's a nice horse who's definitely continued to improve but doubt he could withstand the pressure that David Hercules would apply to him and still win and while they may well end up bringing each other undone if that was the case I would still give the nod to David Hercules but that's mere conjecture at this stage but I would confidently say that David Hercules could sit on Keyang's back and get over him and while I wouldn't be confident that Keyang could do the same to him with both getting those sort of sectionals.

Not much depth in those races when the leaders can get away with a 32.3 second quarter mate that's either tactically bereft from the other drivers or an indication that those horses can't do the necessary work to pressure to at least keep Keyang honest in front and still win the race.
In saying all this think Keyang in its current form would have been far more competitive than Mach Beauty and Suave Stuey were in those Qld races, avonova was probably a shade unlucky that it didn't have the chance to lead in one of those races otherwise it probably would have pinched one.

and good on WA for returning to the old format, just a shame the place is so far away for the Kiwi's

all together now.......

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It might finish up Avonnova $4 for an Inter Final

agree mate re the drivers challenge, was a great initiative


re Avonnova I am biased as it's been a real favourite of mine since the start of the year but it just keeps on it's upward spiral - hopefully can continue