3.6 Avonnova tattsbet  Please.  Even the most staunch lover of this amazing Queensland beast could not take that

Chilli Palmer a huge chance Saturday night, sits on Avonnova all the way and then unleashes

Goes to show how abysmal the Perth horses are, My Hard Copy was a C1 horse when Peace had it (got beat in a C1 two starts before leaving Vic). Just another who has gone to Perth as an ordinary horse and turned into a FFA'er. Grades below proper horses over there

chilli palmers only hope in this one AD is to drop in behind STI 3 pegs. Can't remember a sunshine sprint being won my a horse whooshing down the outside.

Just like north are an emerging powerhouse eh AD

By the way, smart move to change the subject from the topic where you are clearly out of your depth, well played

VK
Syd and Vic are a Different Class to WA
When horses on mark here send to WA.
If they Mo and have ability then they are the best ones as they win 3-4 in a row then are just numbers.
Plus that water that has Energy, Power, Endurance helps

Quinny goes 1.51.8 from the death (i think) in a trial

can't be going to bad Lets

Talk the race up - one of the best Harness Races in a long time in my opinion

and the draw sets it up brilliantly i feel


Mach Beauty 1
Avonova 2
Quinny 6
Suave Stuey 7
Chilli Palmer 9



Suave Stuey Lombo's track record at Albion Park over 1660
Mile Rate: 1:51:8    Lead Time: 3.2
First Quarter: 26.9    Second Quarter: 28.5    Third Quarter: 27.7    Fourth Quarter: 29.0

Avonova's run last Saturday
Mile Rate: 1:52:5    Lead Time: 3.5
First Quarter: 28.3    Second Quarter: 29.4    Third Quarter: 27.9    Fourth Quarter: 27.0

if quinny wins from there in its current form it show exactly how bad those horses really are. Trials are trials they are a guide that's all in trials you're rarely if ever under the same pressure as can occur in a race. They're are a useful guide at times.

Not sure that you know exactly who spends how much time on their harness racing form AD.  Very elitist comment.  Opinion game, everyone is entitled to one.

Okhaden you are better than that, he openly says he only watches some races and is primarily a gallops punter, just gets annoying when he wants to continually denegrade those who do this full time. I don't argue with him about gallops because I spend my days focused on this stuff!

No way they go to the pegs with Chilli Palmer. Have Avonnova's back guaranteed and will be able to settle close enough in that position. Maybe they can't catch Mach Beauty but surely around the 7/1 mark is overs?

Just because someone disagrees with your almighty assessment doesn't mean they're denigrating you, you have consistently denigrated and rubbished me for having  the temerity to disagree with you and then mount a logical argument in support of my assessment. I'll give you the tip I was correct about Cb and my inters assessment as was my analysis of most features that I've bothered to post on here.
I read form and video's as good anyone and have been proven to do so for years I would spend as much time on the trots (locals) as I do on the gallops just because you choose to specialise in a code doesn't make you a better judge mate or a lesser one.

One thing I am very good at and always have been is assessing a class horse either at the gallops or at the trots I don't need to do form on every single race on a program to be able to do that.

I certainly don't do an in depth analysis every race at the gallops or at the trots. I limit myself to raced where I think there is a class horse or horses and or potentially some value, I have little interest in backing bad non winning horses and trying to get them on their day unless unless their reputation isn't earned or alternatively are a ridiculous price far in excess of what they should be. I do however have a cursory look at most races to see if there is anything of interest that may be worth delving into further.

Anyway good luck to you  I said earlier on this thread that there are many good judges on here including your good self but if you want to continue to carry on that's your perogative, I have no interest in wasting any further time debating a completely nonsensical circular argument but if you want to, go for it mate.

Umm ............... Mach Beauty hand up to Avonnova??

Umm ............... I'll let people who know these horses well make a judgement on that. Oh dear

And you suggested it was elitest of me to question him when he wants to argue with those who do this with some level of success. Shame on you Okhaden, almost as if you are new here

No not having a go at you at all.

I would be astounded if the 10:00 post does not feature in the annual forum comedy awards

If it hands up it potentially make it harder for your Chilli Palmer, Mach Beauty won an inters heat through not leading and sitting on them and it means it won't get hammered, Suave Stuey Lombo sat outside it last start and was far too strong for it.

Mach Beauty is likely to cop more pressure in this than in its previous race in arguably what is a much stronger field, it has in most of its runs that I've seen displayed a weak streak and it would arguably have more high speed over a short distance than Avonova especially if the stablemate has pressured Avonova in the run but of course one stablemate working for another would never happen or isn't at least a possibility.

At the supposedly top level Mach Beauty is in my opinion from that draw has more chance of winning by sitting on the leaders back than if it led for those very reasons.

As for assessment AD you actually think Chilli Palmer's a realistic winning chance after the manner in which it crabbed around the track and failed to hit the line last start then again you did think CB was  a realistic wining ch in the inters final eh.

OK geniuses I also made it perfectly clear that I hadn't been paying attention to eastern states harness racing recently because quite frankly it's as boring as batshiit.

I specifically said I didn't know if Suave Stuey Lombo had gone around there, maybe that was written in Swahili or something because the chronically braindead didn't bother to read or mention that fact because it didn't suit their pathetic juvenile attempts to ridicule.

Some of you clowns really need to grow up.

Unlike some of the geniuses / clowns on here I assess on recent form not past performances which are largely but not always irrelevant I only need to watch the replays of their past four or five runs along with the sectional time information from those races if I haven't seen them to be able to accurately assess how these horses are going but then again maybe you aren't capable of that.

Queensland horseman Ian Gurney is finally living his dream.
The likeable harness racing fanatic is still pinching himself with the success of his own stable star Avonnova who lines up in Saturday night’s Gr.2 $60,000 Garrards Sunshine Sprint at Albion Park.
Claimed late last year for a mere $20,000 from Sydney, Gurney has transformed the talented free-legged pacer into a ruthless killer on the racetrack.
In 17 starts for Gurney, Avonnova has won 11 times while he has managed to win 8 of his last 9 starts with only Inter Dominion/Miracle Mile hero Beautide standing in between his winning sequence.
Avonnova ran a fighting second behind Beautide in the Gr.1 $100,000 Len Smith Mile at TABCORP Park, Menangle back in April.
Since returning from that Sydney trip, Avonnova has exploded to a higher level and rates as a legitimate threat against the likes of champion pacer Im Themightyquinn and the Shane Tritton speed freaks Mach Beauty and Suave Stuey Lombo.
And Gurney is shaking his head in disbelief.
“I can’t believe the run I’m having currently, I bought this horse with my good mate Paul (Montgomery) just to have some fun and never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Im Themightyquinn, Beautide and the like. It’s just amazing and it’s so exciting.” Gurney said.
Avonnova, who had stints with the likes of respected trainers Steve Turnbull and Kerryann Turner before being claimed has thrived on the warmer Queensland sunshine and the one on one attention afforded by Gurney which has paved the way for his rise to stardom.
The Art Major seven-year-old gelding has quickly established himself as the biggest/strongest and fastest open class horse in the state and will test his mettle against a strong interstate invasion during the month of July at Albion Park leaving Gurney excited by the challenge.
“I don’t do anything fancy with Nova but obviously he enjoys the warmer weather and the special attention he gets from my wife Ange and her daughters who really spoil him between races. There is no secret to my success; I think I just got lucky.
“He’s been great and he came at the right time for me, he’s the reason you get up early in the morning and do what we do with the horses. I’ve got a lot of people to thank for all the help and support I’ve received along the way.
“Win, lose or draw on Saturday night, it doesn’t really matter because I’m just thrilled to be in a great Queensland race. But I think he will run another great race, he flew last week and Bart (Cockburn – driver) didn’t even pull the earplugs and I’m sure we would’ve smashed the record if we let him go but we were mindful of this race this weekend.”
Gurney and his family have poured millions into the racing industries over a long period of time through ownership and sponsorship.
The Gurney Group of Companies operates their successful earthmoving business and enjoy relaxing by racing and punting on their racehorses.
In the past year, Gurney has convinced his brothers and uncles to invest more into harness racing as opposed to thoroughbred racing and the results have been astonishing through the deeds of exciting rookie pacers Smooth Showgirl and Birdy Mach.
“I got them all together and we bought quite a few yearlings from the sales last year and the early results are very pleasing; Smooth Showgirl is already a Group One winner while Birdy Mach is rated by Luke McCarthy as one of the most gifted horses he’s been involved in.
“Naturally we’re all very excited and very much looking forward to next month when they head to Victoria to contest the rich Australasian Breeders Crown series.
“I’m just hoping the party will start this month here with Nova and we can continue to party in Melbourne. Harness Racing is more than a passion of mine; I love the sport and enjoy the thrill of winning.”
With so much to look forward to this year, it’s great to see Gurney turning his dreams into reality.

Lloydy I seriously doubt he's even 70% at the moment, put it this way if he beats them without the others having really hard runs and the race ending up on platter for him  it will speak volumes for ths standard of horse currently going around there so it will be interesting because what he's been beating here and only only just beating recently isn't anything special.
Nice honest horses but certainly no stars and the one legitimate top class horse he's come up against this prep David Hercules beat him convincingly and David Hercules wasn't even fully wound up at that stage.

He's not Lloydy, he's actually hindered by being trained in Perth as he has to race regularly at GP, he's a very, very, good horse but doesn't get around GP all that well if he has to come wide, this means he generally has to lead or sit in the death and as result when he goes to the death he often ends up having a lot of hard runs. He can do some work but he's not necessarily a work horse either.

He's nigh on unbeatable in front at GP when he's right.

If he raced consistently at Melton or Menangle  he would be an absolute star and run unbelievable time as he's actually also very good driven sit and sprint but he can't be driven that way at GP because of the track.

He absolutely flies at Pinjarra and his record there is very, very, good against some very good young horses at the time and he's a much better horse now than he was back then.

Funny, David Hercules has had a number of runs at Melton. NEVER won there coming from the back, but has looked great in front.

I guess some writers have chosen to dismiss all of these Melton runs which demonstrated the horse is a bona fide leader