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Out of the 2 top acts though the comedian is the most risky. They can always bomb, which no amount of adulation can hide.
As it happened he was less risky than Attraction but that's just hindsight. |
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But that's the thing, he DID bomb every time, his jokes were pretty naff and his delivery was poor - like so many child comedians on BGT before him. There have been loads of kid comedians, what did Carroll have in his comedy his predecessors didn't that was the difference between them and his 2nd place position? Nothing. He could have been doing impressions or ventriloquism as an act or whatever, doesn't matter. However compared to other semi-finalists, his stats were significantly higher.
Carroll's real act was cerebral palsy, minutes after his audition, I posted: Cerebral Palsy comedian makes jokes about cerebral palsy, an unfunny act who's main draw is pity, sure semi-finalist. That's all I think it was, pity, which in my mind makes it even worse. |
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I don’t think it was just pity and I don't think he bombed. I liked his act. It didn’t make me laugh like Gatis Kandis did but I found it witty and clever. I much preferred him to Attraction. It was a very weak evening.
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I agree Henry. He made me laugh a number of times. His CP helped his vote but he'd have done well without it.
Steve was the better act on the night but without him, Jack would have probably won |
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Thank you Hemsby and timbucktooth for your comments.
Like most Specials betters, I can't get on online with anyone now, but at least I don't pay PC. God knows how anyone deals with that. Of late I've resorted more and more to visiting shops but obviously you have to bet small and spread bets around as much as possible. Also, half the time I'm laughed at by the shop staff and find it embarrassing! When down to the final 2 on Saturday, did anyone else notice the sympathetic gestures Dec was making to Jack? I knew then he hadn't won. BTW, how the hell did Natalie Holt get a box of eggs on stage with her without being noticed?! Under Announcements - service, Betfair posted this: Betfair Customer Services 10 Aug 12 21:19 | Topic/replies: 7,968 | Blogger: Betfair Customer Services's blog Due to the recent disruption in the Community Forums, we have suspended all new registrations to the Community with immediate effect until further notice. We apologise for any inconvenience this causes. Remember there were some problems the X-factor before last I think but certainly there was a lot of nonsense going on in the Football Forum hence Betfair "temporarily" stopping new Forum registrations, but I had no idea that was still the case today. You'd think they would have found a solution to this by now. |
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The general belief is that they don't want to find a solution. I don't know if you've been following the news regarding betfairºs flotation and subsequent drop in the share prices? It seems the new-ish head honchos are under big pressure to revive the share price, so they are looking at all possible cost-cutting measures. Their beady eyes have fallen upon the forum, which. presumably, only costs them money. Yes, there were some shenannigans at times, primarily on the football and chit chat forums. One particularly bad day, betfair took the opportunity to announce, in effect, 'enough's enough!'
Barring a change in management, or a u-turn from the current management, the forum is destined for a long and slow death. Horse If you are banned/restricted in your online Specials betting, you must be doing well enough. So why doubt the validity of your opinions? You don't have to pressurise yourself by posting 'tips', just your take on things. |
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Hello to all old friends on here...
Just dropping by to see how everyone did on BGT. Sorry I wasn't able to join in on here during the semis as normal as it was during half term, but hopefully most of you made a decent profit on Attraction. Interesting debate going on above, so I thought I'd throw my two-penneth in, for what it's worth... Without wanting to sit on the fence, there is a lot of truth in what people say on both sides of the argument. I don't believe Cowell necessarily wanted Attraction to win on the night - and was perhaps hoping for an upset from his preferred choice Jack - but the shadow dancers were certainly one of three or four potential winners that would have been an acceptable result. The evidence I would cite is as follows: Strongest semis this year (in terms of viewing audience) were always likely to be the first on Bank Holiday Monday and the last on Saturday 1st June. As it happens the Monday audience was the highest of the week and Saturday was relatively low due to the hot weather. Pimp slots for these two semis were Richard & Adam and Attraction. The pimp on Semi 1 had previously finished in the top two in each of the previous six seasons, so a good reason to suggest that R&A were also strongly fancied by TPTB. The other preferred contestants were clearly laid out to win their semis - not just Jack, but Luminites and Francine too. Interestingly, out of all five semi final winners, only Jack and Francine didn't get the pimp. Fact is, it is very difficult to finish a show with a comedian. They just don't offer the same dramatic climax as a dance act or singer. We mustn't forget it is a light entertainment show - and the producers need a decent spread of acts to create a natural flow. The six singers in the final needed to be separated, as did the three comic acts. The running order therefore was not really a surprise - the five semi winners were the last five to perform, with the least popular (Francine) first in this group. I would have expected Luminites to perform next, before Jack and then Richard & Adam, but otherwise it was all fairly predictable. Attraction were leading the polls by a substantial margin - on average around 48% - but the front page of The Sun suggested to me that Cowell (through his mate Clifford) would have quite liked to see a British winner after all, not due to any malicious or xenophobic tendencies, but more for commercial reasons. It would also have been a better result for his BGT 'brand' longer term. You don't need the pimp to win the final of BGT - you just need to perform in the second half, and ideally in the last three. Only two previous winners had been on stage last (others were 7, 9, 8 & 10). Until he saw their final performance in rehearsal (distinctly lacklustre) he was probably resigned to a runaway winner. But due to the extra week gap after the semis this year, Cowell would have been able to read the negative reaction to an overseas winner building in the media and probably saw an opportunity to push another act. Jack was that act in my view. The only thing that seems to contradict this is the choice of Wild Card, who almost certainly took votes away from Carroll. Yet, if rumours are to be believed, Steve wasn't Cowell's preferred choice. He wanted Hall back - and you can obviously see why. Perhaps we are giving too much credence to Cowell's reputation as an autocrat - he may have been happy to accept the majority view. The fact that Attraction's lead in the vote was reduced to just 7% proves that there was a big swing against the act from Hungary. It just wasn't enough in the end. Remember it's not ALL down to Cowell - there is a whole production team at work. His disappointment when Attraction won was palpable and almost certainly genuine (as Figgy says, he's not renowned for being able to disguise his emotions well). He was probably underwhelmed at not getting his way (as happened previously with Subo and Jai). The Top 3 would have been his preferred top three - just not necessarily in the right order. But it wasn't a bad result for BGT or Cowell overall. If they hadn't wanted Attraction to win (who, let's not forget, had been the talking point all series) they wouldn't have been on last. Equally it would have been odd (and downright wrong) to put them on in the first half to kill their chances. The way that the act was staged (even if it was just a sickly sycophantic tribute to Britain) meant that Attraction almost HAD to be on last. It wouldn't have worked any other way... As many on here have speculated before with X Factor, there isn't necessarily a Chosen One, but a group of acceptable 'Chosen Ones' who are pushed to the fore. As a master of PR, Cowell will always tune into public opinion and invariably tends to put his weight behind the most popular act in the end (hence his ramping of Attraction in his semi comments). If the most popular act wins the final, then it stands to reason that it's a win-win for Cowell too. Just on this occasion he'd probably have preferred to see Jack crowned the winner, with Attraction second. Either way, Jack has plenty of commercial appeal and will almost certainly make Cowell just as much money as the winners, if not more. Apologies for the long-winded essay... But as it's my only post for BGT this year thanks for indulging me! |
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bloody hell, am i supposed to read all that
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Are you back for BB dizzy?
Forum seems to consist of a max 10 posters most of the time |
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I read it all you lazy sod bear
 Good to see you posting Dizzy. I couldn't disagree with anything you say. My thinking is very similar. Also agree with Tim. You should post more Horse. As bear says the more views the better for all of us. |
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 I did read it five, and i agree with all all of itI also agree Horse should post more |
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But if Strongbows legend don't win this race i'm giving up gambling
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Nice when they win by 20 lengths
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Nice one bear
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You could have posted earlier
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I was worried Hems might see it |
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I thought Jack was very good. He did make me laugh a bit, but tbh what I liked most was I appreciated how difficult the stuff he was doing is and how easy he made it seem and the fact that he was only 14, made me appreciate him all that more. Some of the material was a bit lame but it was all original and there were some gems. I appreciated his quick witted replies. He is at least as good as some full time comedians already.
I don't agree that had Steve not been in the final it would have made any difference to the result and I don't agree it was a weak year. I thought it was perhaps the strongest year. The year's George Sampson, Paul Potts and Jai Reason won were all much weaker imo |
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For me Attraction won primarily because people thought overall they deserved to win. You can disect everything as much as you like and the most deserving doesn't always win reality shows but it is by far the most important determining factor imo.
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I wrote at the time, I thought his delivery was affected by nerves, far more confident in the semi. Still excellent at his age, I stumble on telling jokes to three people. Although I gave away some profit after Attraction's disappointing final routine, Jack still needed a 'wow' moment to take advantage, like rinsing one of the judges.
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I don't subscribe either that because they were polling close to 48% they would have been expected to achieve that result in an even handed final. They were always likely to get less votes than that polling because polling in these shows has huge biases.
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great post dizzy
now back to homework duties  |
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I really need to check in here more often... Disappointing to see that the forum has dwindled to a small band of merry regulars.
I'm trading heavily on The Voice, so I'll try to follow that thread over the next couple of weeks (if it's not a foregone conclusion already), but I've stopped playing regular BB as much since the switch to Five, only CBB. Perhaps now they've got rid of the awful Brian and finally seen sense by putting Emma up to front the show it might become watchable again! Horse - I was a lurker for two or three years before posting, so never fear of putting forward your opinions. It's always a lively debate, but the specials bunch are a good hearted lot and any disagreement is mostly gentle banter. A forum like this is only as good as its participants - and I'm guilty of dropping off for months at a time until X Factor starts again... But it can become all consuming, so a break once in a while does me good! But the spring / summer specials season of Eurovision / BGT / Voice / BB is a good opportunity to check back in again. I'm sure more people (like GB and dare I say our old friend Lou) will be back in the autumn for the annual XF / SCD / IAC Fest. |
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Oh and one final point I missed off my post. I thought it was a decent season for BGT and any of the top three would have been worthy winners IMO. But the semi performances for Attraction, Jack and R&A were all better than the final. Attraction in particular would have fared much better if they had saved their semi act until Saturday, so it was no surprise to see the final percentages much closer than the polls originally predicted.
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Jack Carroll on Loose Women today
 - a week too late to be drumming up the LW vote |
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It didn't help Francine. Or maybe it did and she would have been last without being on all the ITV daytime shows
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does it start tonight C4/5? might have a dabble
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No finished last week gresty
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Surely he means BB? In which case, yes, gresty. In 45 minutes.
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Yeah I knew that tim
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cheers, i'll see if i can make it to my remote control which will enable me to turn the tv on
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oh yeah BGT thread
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