Where would the xenophobes stand if Attraction had all come to live in Britain 10 years ago?

I think that would be fair enough - but the point is they weren't.

Where would the xenophobes stand if Attraction had all come to live in Britain 10 years ago?

I would have still disliked the act and especially their performance last night.
As Henry says it wasn't xenophobia from the regulars on here last night,but annoyance that such crassly manipulative rubbish from Attraction could win and annoyance at the British public for lapping it up.
The 'tourists' that turn up for the final are a law unto themselves and I suspect most of the comments you highlight cnman came from them.
You have the same thing happening for every big final.

As for the debate over whether foreign acts should be allowed on a show called "Britain's Got Talent", I believe there's a perfectly valid argument that they shouldn't.
One I would have a great deal of sympathy with and I'm very much pro EU and believe it would be lunacy to leave it.
I wish as a country we would look far more to Europe than to the sick, deeply flawed and fractured society across the Atlantic.

Seems PC-ness gone wrong to label most comments against Attraction being Hungarian as xenophobic. It's Britains Got Talent, it stands to reasons that for a lot of the viewers the point of the show is to be proud of the talent Britain has. Not sure Dr Dre would like to lose a MOBO to Eminem, and that wouldn't be racist, it would be plain logic. Attraction aren't British so shouldn't be allowed to compete imho, and I won on them, so it's not money motivated.

Just massively damages the brand. Alot of Brits will be rightly bloody ruddy annoyed. For me and many others, I'd have loved to have seen a battle between Jack and Steve. Many a time the team have branded "you make me proud to be British", and what with the Olympics and everything, that sentiment is rawer than ever, so to diminish the USP of the brand seem madness. I think your spot on in that we won't see foreigners being pushed again. People who were dismayed by Attraction will be able to forgive and forget, but if it kept happening, a core set of viewers would definitely stop watching. I like you cnman but I think labelling such viewers as xenophonic as wild. Most of us are very liberal, but in BGT we want to see British talent, Attraction should stay in HGT, or wait for Cowells Las Vegas Worlds Got Talent, if he ever goes ahead with it (he should, it's a brilliant idea).

We`re getting bogged down in something that, as someone else has already said, should be on DS. So, a last couple of points before I take my leave from this argument:


RMB © 09 Jun 13 16:58   
It's Britains Got Talent, it stands to reasons that for a lot of the viewers the point of the show is to be proud of the talent Britain has.


OK, but it`s not called `British-Born People Have Talent` Leaving aside the point that it surely should read `U.K.` instead of `Britain`.

Owen Hargreaves, Bradley Wiggins, numerous members of the England cricket and rugby teams, Prince Philip, the list goes on. Not British-born, but satisfying the criteria set down by the respective governing bodies. As do Attraction. Thems the rules.


I happen to agree they were pretty dire last night.

I'm not keen on non British or English people representing us at sport either Tim.
I don't follow much sport but it does grate with me that we are shipping in lots of Americans to represent us at Athletics.
I feel the same about the Africans who are running for a number of European countries.

Not just losing, didn't get past the semis! If they'd lived here for 10 years and felt British I think most would have warmed to them with open arms. Clearly a Cowell plot to get them to Las Vegas with credibility much like Coolmore plotting their lesser horses in weaker Group 1s to increase their value. Cowell couldn't go to Las Vegas and say, pay shed loads for these guys in the Bellagio to perform for the next 5 years, who are they?, well they're Hungarian and German Got Talent rejects!

Why else use Cameron in their act? He's less popular than Cowell

No way! Jack was 3rd last, Luminites were 2nd last. This show of all of them has a ridiculous bias to the final act. Does no one remember the first few series when there was a crazy run through the early rounds of acts going on last always topping the vote. Probably due to the short voting window. He knew just how popular attraction were, the fact they still won fairly comfortably despite last night's tosh says it all.

..and 27% was pretty poor. Many were saying they'd get over 50% of the vote

Cowell definitely appeared disappointed that Jack hadn`t won. So why not bury Attraction in Trap 2? Why bring Steve back as the wildcard, knowing he would take at least some votes from Jack? As it turned out, Steve received 14% of the vote. If he wasn`t there, would Jack have received half of that vote? The 7% he needed to beat Attraction? Is it possible that, after seeing Attraction`s dismal effort, he changed his mind mid-show?

The last act has the greatest bias to it. If he ever didn't want Attraction to win, they wouldn't have been put there. There is no way he actually wanted jack over attraction. Its all part of the act. We'll have to agree to disagree but the running order tells all in the show this year. By pretending he hasn't got what he wanted he just perpetuates the myth that he's not playing the public like the manipulated cretins they actually are.

Attraction even had an ad break before them too.

..and that feeling probably grew when he saw how pants Attraction were in the final.
We aren't going to agree tho dao

downandout 09 Jun 13 18:24 
Attraction even had an ad break before them too.


But it`s not before your act you want the ad-break to be, it`s after.
That break was designed to help Luminites.

Last is the best draw for votes as long as lines are only open after the last act has performed.  The shorter the voting window the bigger the advantage and I think its less of a big deal in the final than it is a heat when people don't necessarily vote for their favourite or the one they think that deserves to win.  It's possible he wanted them to close the show as they were the act everyone was talking about and the show is bigger than the acts.  The other alternative is that he really didn't care who won and was quite happy to take the +ves from either. It's also possible and I think reasonably likely that he didn't want to be seen to be overly celebrating a foreign win.  He's a master manipulator and very PC savvy

I thought their performance on the night was good and imaginative, it just didn't pull on the heart strings.  It's a performance that was partly designed for The Royal Variety Show and Cowell may have wanted them to win purely for Royal approval.  27% to 20% means they got 35% more votes than Jack.  That's reasonably comfortable

Great publicity for Cowell. He will have loved it too.

I was shocked and worried last night too. And it was Attraction or nothing for me also.

It was unexpected after the security of their first 2 performances. But we all tend to overreact in these events if the final performance is a bit off or a bit unexpected. We are too critical and overanalyse. And we are cynical. I, like most on here, thought the content was awful (however skilful), but the majority of the GBP would have been a bit flattered even if they didn’t like it as much as before.

I had accepted my liability because I genuinely thought that the 1.3 all week was value. After Jack’s and their performance it wasn’t. But it had moved to evens. Which was.

I wonder if the big money laying them throughout the week was insiders who knew that their performance was risky and over the top. It’s a good thing that insiders often overreact. But we’ll never know.

I think there was a conflict with Attraction, they were criticised for not being British and their act was aimed at the very people who were never going to vote for them. They should have done their final act in the semis and their semi act in the final, they would have got 55+% of the vote with that I reckon.

Not my best BGT, or the most skillful piece of betting. My biggest letdown is that I repeatedly said that Jack Carroll was the biggest threat to Attraction and mentioned the impossibility that he would get anything but rapturous applause and adulation, he was at 8s all night, backing for £1000 at 8s and then selling off at 2.5 (not even the lowest price he went to) could have landed anyone an easy and predictable 4.5k.