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**week seven bottom two thread**
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crazy price, surely people believe the daily star voting info after all these years?!
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Even people on here struggle with it papa
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And why try convince them otherwise? Keep quiet I say
 Daily Star story clearly complete tosh, Chris guaranteed to leave this week, pile on whilst you still can |
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Both Boyles and PP opened 7/4 Rylan last night, before cutting to 5/4 and 6/5 pretty quickly. These prices then only went further south this morning. Pretty sure there was no 2/1 with PP last night or today.
I was salivating at those 7/4s last night but alas can't get on anywhere now, well that's not quite true, I have ONE remaining account which whilst restricted, I can get on more than pennies - BS. I am shocked (and jealous!) that quite a few of the regulars on here can still get bets on online. Betting on specials has ruined every bookie account I've ever had. The ONLY scenario I can see Rylan NOT going is if Baloney is in the bottom 2 with him, and that seems unlikely. |
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Ever consider Rylan may not be B2?
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The reason I'm not more limited with the HS is that you used to be able to get a bet on here...
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bex
Of course he may not be. How far has the longest pure novelty act gone in this before. Jedward/Wagner about 6th? I think his time is long overdue. |
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I can't see any scenario where Rylan is not in the bottom two this week Bex, I must be honest...
Specials punters are definitely being monitored more closely this year I think. Come across more restrictions than ever. Seems to be a similar story across the board though with racing punters also complaining more vocally. Difference is you can be restricted as a specials punter even if only betting to small stakes it seems. Value hunters are not welcome as customers with most bookies! |
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Well that was my initial gut instinct with Rylan and I backed him at evens for elimination. Now I'm not so sure that was very good value
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Dizzy
I mentioned a few days ago I tried to back Baloney I think it was at 25/1 for £100 knowing I could get rid of it at smaller odds and make a profit. Now knock me back a bit Ladbrukes if you have to but they offerd me 50p. Biggest bookies in the world? What a joke. |
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We're all guessing bex but I'd go with you on that one. Time's up surely.
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Missed all the fancy prices on Rylan - not convinced sub evens pre show is any sort of value.
It all comes down to the great Baloney debate and whether you want him to be included in your B2 combo considerations. Anyone want to price a Rylan / Baloney sing off, as I don't have a clue? |
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The whole Chris leading the vote thing has been denied as a rumor. I'm not at all confident it's true, and the bookies don't seem to be believing it either. I've been laying Rylan to go every week so far but I don't think he'll survive another bottom 2, unless it's against Chris in which case I think he will. Not sure how to play it this week.
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Tulisa and Gary have both separately confirmed it (indirectly).
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As far as I'm aware the judges do not have access to the voting figures. But if it's true then surely laying Chris for elimination must be the way to go.
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pumpkin
I'm with you just not sure it's true at all. For a start why are the bookies still offering him as 16/1 to win it and second favourite to be elliminated. He may be topping the vote but I'd still be very wary myself. |
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Baloney is the only person Rylan could survive against and he is topping the vote.
I still think the current odds are value as Rylan is almost certain to be in the bottom 2! Baloney topping the vote, UJ with a nice bounce and some vote transfer from D3, Jahmene pimped to high hell, James and Ella would both be 20/1 for elim in a sing off with Rylan. |
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Where has it been denied?
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"As far as I'm aware the judges do not have access to the voting figures."
They don't but they were obviously told the results. Once someone has been eliminated XF are not so obsessive about the figures. In previous years groups of journalists have been given the results during the series. The Star usually gets them at least once or twice during the series. |
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Where have Tulisa and Gary said he's TOPPING the vote?
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Think it was on AOL. Someone high up from ITV said it wasn't true and not even the judges have access to the voting figures.
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"Where have Tulisa and Gary said he's TOPPING the vote?"
They weren't as specific as the Star. I can't remember their exact words. |
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The judges may not have actual access to the voting figures, but they certainly seem aware of the way the voting is going.
Both Tulisa and Gary (and maybe Louis) have commented about Chris getting the votes, having a lot of support, etc. Nobody connected with the show appearing on various TV programmes have seen fit to deny the rumours when it has been mentioned. On shows where we have been able to verify the %ages at the end of the series (XF, DOI, IAC), The Star leaks have been consistently accurate. They were also obviously right regards Hollins on SCD and Alex on CBB. |
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What Tulis and Gary say are "He's getting the votes" so you all take that as he's topping the vote because The Star says so too. What they mean is he hasn't been short on votes to make him B2. Therefrore they would also say Ella, Jahmene and James "are getting the votes".
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Gary made some comments very early, before any Star leaks.
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Tulisa hasn't said Ella is getting the votes, she's been begging for votes, telling people not to assume she's safe.
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But that again doesn't mean to say "OOps she's near the bottom please vote for her". It could very well mean "Don't just assume she's been voted well because she's the favourite".
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There was a hullabaloo on here last week after the Star story. "Ooh I can see Ella being bottom 2 this week" ................ wrong!
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I may be wrong but I think I recall Danni saying 'Matt Cardle needs your vote' yet he topped the vote every single week!
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So on their past record you think people are best to ignore/disbelieve leaks from the Star.
That's an individual's prerogative. It's a shame though because we used to have some decent contacts from the Star post some lovely snippets on here, and it looks like following the aggravation they got they can't be @rsed anymore - and who can blame them. |
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Terrible shame they've gone. On was accused of having ulterior motives ffs.
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* One was...
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So on their past record you think people are best to ignore/disbelieve leaks from the Star.
No just tread carefully that's all. Don't surmise they are 100% right. Yes they seem to have been before but ............... And yes you're right it is the individual's prerogative ..................... and I'm one of them. |
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I think the debate over whether Baloney is doing well in the vote is pretty much closed in that he is one of only 4 to avoid the B2 and we know he won the wildcard vote.
The question is what happens next. Perhaps going to see an Eggnog style execution? |
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What is wrong with some of you regulars that you still doubt the veracity of The Star? While it was hard for most of us, at first, to go against the old cliche `don`t believe what you read in the papers`, as each leak subsequently proved to be spot-on, I changed my perceptions. I am grateful there are enough non-believers still here to offer amazing value on certain acts. 6 or 8 leaks over the last few years, each shown to be 100% accurate.
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I'm sure just about everyone on here is old enough and ugly enough to exercise whatever caution they feel they need to, and also to understand that voting leaks are just a snapshot of what has happened in the past/to date.
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tim
Gun at my head I'd tend to believe them yes with their record but all I'm saying to put all your eggs in one basket going by what they say is dodgy ground that's all. |
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There was a chap posting bottom 2 on a music forum a few years back, claiming he had inside info. He was spot on for 4 weeks, that's 8 selections correct. And then he got it horribly wrong for whatever reason. So just because the star has historically been right doesn't mean it's 100% it is this time. Im not going so far as to say it's wrong, but I'm not going to lay a huge chuck on it either.
Another question. If you are sure Chris is doing so well, why is there still money at what you must consider very low odds still left being backed on him in the elimination market? There's hardly a rush to snap up the value! |
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LOU MACARIS TARTAN B 13 Nov 12 13:33
There was a hullabaloo on here last week after the Star story. "Ooh I can see Ella being bottom 2 this week" ................ wrong! No Lou, you are wrong. Nobody sensible said she WOULD be B2. We were saying that, AT THE PRICES, she was huge value to be B2. There`s a massive, and crucial, difference. |
