**week seven bottom two thread**

Lou - stop the gloating then.

So do you think TPTB lost the plot or was this deliberate?

Neither they just didn't get as many votes.  That's how it works.

tend to agree.

A mixture of both tho really.

What like you would George!!!

agree with Dizzy that is.

Dizzy

I answered you but you didn't answer me?

How much did you lose on Ella?

Lou - I was fortunate in that the 25/1 on Tulisa losing all of her acts first acted as a bit of insurance on my Ella bets.  I had laid off some of my stake last weekend at 6/4 and 7/4, but she was still my 4th biggest green going into last night's show.

Blimey Lou - give me a chance to type!

Unlike you, I fortunately always believe the Star leaks!

Altho regards Ella, they either lost the plot with her (ie. could easily have made her voter friendly) or decided they weren't that bothered with her after the first couple of weeks.

How are you feeling about Star leaks today Lou

They gave up on Ella too soon IMO.  Shame...

Can't wait for the percentages to come out.  The red faces on here if they were wrong!!

Definitely. Made a right mess of it.  Tulisa's voting appeals should have been more concerted.

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:55AM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:

Can't wait for the percentages to come out.

Btw Lou, your potato man has never topped the vote as far as we know

Any proof yet they're right?


I'll answer that for you ......................... No FACT.

If they'd played it sensibly Tulisa's voting appeals shouldn't have been necessary.

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:56AM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:

Any proof yet they're right?I'll answer that for you ......................... No FACT.

Yes, Every year after the results are released

Ok what about this year any proof?

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:56AM, squares wrote:

If they'd played it sensibly Tulisa's voting appeals shouldn't have been necessary.

Dunno. Girls just don't get many votes in mid series. Never have

plenty of clues the leaks have been pretty much correct with the way the results have panned out since.

But the song choices, performances etc. were SO dull...

She was becoming worse than Rebecca Ferguson for being a singing candlestick and a one-trick pony.

And I love her voice.  I think she's one of the best they've ever had on this show.  But in the last 3/4 weeks they did very little to showcase her talents in the best possible light.

Exactly, they played it perfectly with LM making them look young, fun, accessible, girls next door, etc.

A mixture of songs to appeal to a wide range of ages, done pretty much straight.

Her last effort was awful.  Told you all in my write up but even that got shot down in flames by some!

Thought she did better in the sing off myself though.  He sang another dreadful dirge and screamed.  Awful.

James wiped the floor with Ella in the sing off in my view.  And I too thought Saturday night was awful for her...  Didn't get what everyone was raving about on Twitter.

James was better in the sing off imo . Was far better prepared for it

Everything with Ella become so dark and brooding.  The core voters don't mind changing up a song the odd time, but changing a song every week (and ultimately sounding the same every week) is overdoing it and being a bit pretentious tbh.

If Cowell was there, his comments would have helped Ella no end.

I guarantee he would have said that she was coming across as too old for her age, need to have fun, try something different, be young, enjoy the performance etc.

Ella was in bits when starting the sing off, she was all over the place and couldn't sing properly.

Fair enough to each his own re sing off.

I thought they both sang well on Saturday but just ridiculous song choices, really bad.  And some like it!!

Nov 19, 2012 -- 4:01AM, squares wrote:

Everything with Ella become so dark and brooding.

Spot on Squares.  It was certainly switching me off - and I had a vested interest in her doing well!

I thought Ella was great on Saturday.   Performance makes very little difference sometimes

Yes, and then the next week they would have done that - young fun more appealing Ella.  In the end, they've run out of time to do that.

Her performance was great, in terms of her singing quality.  It was just so boring!

“So do you think TPTB lost the plot or was this deliberate?”

I actually think they lost the plot a bit. Early slots were an advantage with a show ending after 11pm for the first time. But now we’re back to normal.

They didn’t think the Rylan banter would propel him so much (the Take That banter with the right section of the VT lined up to be re-shown had to be scripted). And Chris’s laser eyes would have propelled him after the judges started arguing about it – basically telling the public that this was a stupid attempt to derail him.

I disagree, supported her from start to finish. Switching my vote to James now Lou

I liked it, and it was better than I was expecting from similar covers on youtube but I said on the IR thread - it wasn't voter friendly.

changing a song every week (and ultimately sounding the same every week) is overdoing it and being a bit pretentious tbh

Squares is right though GB - I think this put paid to her chances as much as voter apathy...

Yeah I'm sure, bit of both

And James doing a similar thing, but doing it a whole lot better.

Still massive green on all of them no doubt George!  I dunno how you do it.

I'm just saying I still liked her and what she was doing

Henry - I agree with you.  A combination of losing the plot and losing control over the Rylan / Chris situation.  Trying to be too clever for their own good...

Certainly not green on UJ and Rylan Lou

Lou - it is possible to back several runners and still make a profit!

I thought she should have made the final and possibly even won it.  To go out with Rylan left in it is just not right IMO.

Going into last night's show my order of green was 1) Chris, 2) James, 3) Jahmene, 4) Ella (although 3 and 4 were roughly equal).  Small loss on UJ, massive loss on Rylan (unbacked).  So losing Ella still hurt.  I thought I had the final four nicely covered...

I think with a mixture of standards/classics - ballads and uptempo, done pretty straight, Ella would still be in the competition.

Lou - it is possible to back several runners and still make a profit!

Oh I know but where do you buy the crystal ball that tells you 'buy' something now and 'sell' it later.  And it's never wrong.

Imagine if I had one!!!  We could all retire rich.

People working at it - for a living, the harder they work, etc.

Daily Star is proving to be quite a good crystal ball substitute though Lou!

Certainly helped me limit the damage on Ella...

Same old shyte every time Lou. Why are the regulars still here?

You notice I was tipping Ella for b2 before the Star leak if you look close enough

You were indeed GB.  There were signs that her star was on the wane, not shining brightly enough, for anyone who follows these things closely...

But elimination was still a shock!

Is Lou only on the fixed odds section of Bf?

George you're SEETHING there

Tut tut tut!

When's the personal/nasty stuff coming .............................


Deep breaths now!

As if I would get wound up by you Lou  

I may have a few sly digs when Baloney and James are testing spudkid in the final

and more was done to "soften" up James along the way

Oh they've got a chance granted but (let's see if he can be honest here folks are you ready?)

If you had to tip the winner from here to win a million pounds who would you pick.  If it were me , all things considered I'd go for Jahmene.


And you ....................................

Dunno. And that usually serves me well.  Baloney could win if Tulisa savages him, James can win if they have a megaramp

"and more was done to "soften" up James along the way"

True, but if they want him as a "credible" artist they'll have to return him to the rapping and the epileptic groaning. And of course to be "credible" he can't win XF.

Jahmene can win if they ramp him like they have every week so far OC

George

But the question was "If you HAD to"

I had to so went Jahmene

What about you??

Yes, Tulisa and Louis have to be careful - last night, mostly on Xtra i think, they were being pretty abusive about Chris voters (who's voting for him?", "why are they voting for him?", etc.) yet no problem with Rylan voters.

You don't have to. This is the difference between my MO, and yours

I don't have a clue who will win, so cover all the threats

Another area where they've lost the plot really - acts can conform during the series and revert afterwards.  JLS, for example.  Not many successful acts to come out of XF have really carried on in the same vein thereafter.

Can't bare to say it can you


Tut tit tut

"NEXT"

LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
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Oh they've got a chance granted but (let's see if he can be honest here folks are you ready?)

If you had to tip the winner from here to win a million pounds who would you pick.

I would put it on the act who gave me the best reason to want to pick up the phone and actually vote. The reason however may not be because they had the best vocals, however to answer your Q right now all things considered I would put it on Chris because there is a very good chance I could trade it and have a risk free shot at making a £1m, backing Jahmene would mean making less than a million and it wouldnt be w/o risk.

Squares / Henry,

The softening up of James is working a treat in my view - and his performances are on the right side of credible still (Hometown Glory being the most notable example).  Doubt we'll see any of the rapping return now, especially with Abba / Motown next week!

Angel

So in a word then Jahmene

Thanks

Lou - weren't you gloating about tipping up the Jahmene / Ella straight forecast just last week?!  Even if Jahmene wins, 1st and 6th isn't a great result from the 1st & 2nd fav!

Lou which part of my response suggested I would put the £1m on jahmene?

In a word 'none'

Angel

Ok answer this.

If you couldn't lay any off at all, you were on a quiz show perhaps.

They said who will win the X Fcator final 2012 from here and we'll give you £1,000,000 if you pick the winning act.  Of the 5 left who would you HONESTLY pick?

Dizzy


You know my record on here and I've done it again.  Even you're seething now which is a shame.  Liked you.

No more PM please.

Not seething at all Lou - but you said there were only two possible winners and to this point all you have tipped up is someone who finished in 6th place!

Even if Jahmene has always been your main hope you've turned overnight from an Ella supporter to one that is gloating that she's left the competition, deriding her backers in the process...  And that's just disingenuous.

Dizzy

I'm not gloating she's left I was green on her due to laying all the others.  I would have loved it to have been James and even more so Baloney.

Aaah I see where this is heading and this is gonna end up with you meeting me in a service station somewhere on route 66 where I will be shaking more than Baloney.

Well seeing as you have reworded the Q in such a way as it would make no sense whatsoever to give you anything other than the name you are looking for I shall close off this one sided argument and agreew with whoever you would put it on.

Angel

Ok answer this.

If you couldn't lay any off at all, you were on a quiz show perhaps.

They said who will win the X Fcator final 2012 from here and we'll give you £1,000,000 if you pick the winning act.  Of the 5 left who would you HONESTLY pick?



No answer Angel?  Another who can't bare to utter the word.  Your silence answers us thanks.

I'd put the million on Jahmene if it was a freebie...  I could then back the others at bigger prices!

At last!!!  A second honest person on the forum.  Will make a note of the time and thread and ttt it once or twice!

This tru;y is a great day.  Another honest punter!  There is another God.

lou I didnt know that you had stipulated there was a certain time limit to respond.

I have read many responses from you claiming that you will not allow yourself to be shouted down and that you should be allowed your own opinion. I would request that you practice what you preach as I am feeling shouted down because I have given an opinion.

Angel

Gladly of course.  I asked you a question though and you completely ducked out of answering it and twisted it because you can't bare to simply say his name.

No need to say anymore I know!

Blimey! 158 new posts.

Could someone give me a summary please?

figgy

Yep I'm surrounded but shooting them all down in flames as usual.  They just have no answer to me. 

I'm sure they have plenty of answers Lou. You just refuse to listen

Heard it all before figgy.  The old 'Green Eyed Monster' is a horrid disease isn't it.

All in from here I would definitely go James if I had to Lou. There is my answer

Liar George

Why ask if you're not happy the response?  I don't need to go all in, so it's irrelevant anyway

You're wasted on here Lou. You should give Chit Chat the benefit if your presence

bear

If there was a $hit chat forum it would be made for you!

George

Not a good trait you know.

When everyone around you is calling you a t0sser lou, chances are you are a t0sser

Are others calling you it then bear ....................... assumed it was only me.

Oh well chin up, chest out and keep coming back for more bear.

Don't let them get you down.

hth

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