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The bl00dy PM is useless and would soon get exposed on a show like that, never mind candidates in a by election. All he can manage to do (sometimes screws that up) is read lines written down for him.
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I realised there was a lot of bad press regarding Robert Kenyon. What I didn't know was how competent or dynamic he was as an individual. It took QT (for me) to realise very quickly he was hopeless
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Clydebank29, 'i get they are after low intellect voters'
 bang on. There do seem to be rather a lot of them,that's the issue. |
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they delivered this government a huge majority to be fair
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If he did get elected you might aswell have Shaun The Sheep as an MP.
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"A deliberate manoeuvre"
It's the bleedin candidates for the seat! If he's not capable of standing up amongst the competition and stating his case then he has no business putting himself forward in the first place. If you're so upset at his embarrassing, then you need to have a word for Farage and his vetting for putting him in that position. |
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Or the red queen
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When was the Gorton QT by election special. Or any QT by election special for that matter? I can't remember regular members of the public being put through something like that before, but I may be misremembering.
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Seriously CB, you can't watch politics coverage much. Nick Ferrari makes actual labour cabinet ministers look like they have learning difficulties pretty much daily. I can link you some clips if you'd like.
I am absolutely sure you have seem Lammy on mastermind. I can link that too, if not? |
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regular members of the public being put through something like that before
eh? He's not a regular member of the public any more. He's standing to become an MP, to represent the interests of the public and to take a big fat cheque home every month that we pay for. Scrutiny is the absolute minimum requirement. |
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remind me when the previous bbc QT by election special was (before Makerfield) ?
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You can say dumb things on SM when you are young, especially after a beer and I don't judge people's competence on things like that. It's often overblown and meaningless and it doesn't mean someone is incompetent, but Kenyon is embarrassingly hopeless. You can also be an intelligent working class and good speaking plumber. So I wouldn't be put off by Kenyon being a plumber, if he showed he was up to being a representative for the constituents. I gave him a chance and he failed spectacularly.
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I genuinely don't understand your point. MPs aren't employed to be broadcast media performers. It's helpful for ambitious politicians to be accomplished media performers, but we now know that it doesn't stop you becoming prime minister if you are useless at that.
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it should have been a hustings about Makerfield, it's not a national interest event. people can be obtuse all they like, but it quite obviously only came to be because burnham is the labour candidate. since he has already been in cabinet and currently an experienced metro mayor, the bbc had nothing to lose and could gain plenty out of the manoeuvre.
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it's not stupid either, if reform turned the trap down then they would be accused of running away. as I have alluded to, for me it is immaterial. that poll I posted was published last night, so it's not straight forward to work out any impact qt had on the market. obviously a poll showing labour with a 10 point lead was going to see them shorten.
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It's literally nonsense, the vast majority of people don't know who their MP even is. MPs don't face scrutiny, certainly not prospective ones.
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They are essentially hand picked by the respective central offices. Nothing to do with the general public. The public then votes for the party at the next election.
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Cider, serious question.
Have you ever considered treating politics like a serious thing, and not just something tribal like football? I know you've thrown in your lot with Nigel. I know you moan about the "uni-party" one minute and then celebrate Reform recruiting loads of tories the next. But do you really have to just defend someone who is clearly so out of their depth? It really doesn't reflect well on you. He didn't need to go on QT. He was invited but could have said no. Plenty before him have done. He could have even spent five minutes in the last few weeks to come up with a good answer when pressed on the sexism. But he didn't do that either. It's not a conspiracy. He's just bad at this. |
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My own politics is completely separate to the betting. CB alluded to reality tv, I have a great instinct for that and I have a great instinct for politics.
I've outlined my thoughts on this seat. It is extremely complex, with so many dynamics. I said that the establishment usually gets what it wants when it tries this hard. And yes I see the unique QT as very much part of their strategy. I'm not calling it and right now I think the establishment will likely win this one. But closer to 50/50 for me so I got involved this morning. With some hedge, having burnham green on next pm. |
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It's very much like reality tv again, there are events there where I am absolutely convinced what the outcome will be, and I go in all guns blazing. Sometimes I sit them out completely, sometimes I play the odds. The Makerfield by election has moved from sitting it out to playing the odds, due to the evolution of the percentages.
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But you're not talking this evening from a betting point of view. You're palpably upset that Kenyon was embarrassed and feel it's some kind of conspiracy rather than his own incompetence. And 90% of the time, the moment someone criticises Reform you're not reacting from a betting viewpoint. You do so in their defence. If you do stick to cold analytics you come across well. But you need to cut out the other 90% cos it does you no good.
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The first thing I posted about QT is that I thought it didn't warrant the movement in the market, and outlined why. My other posting have been in response to what other people have posted that I disagree with. Yes that is political but I wouldn't have posted my responses otherwise. I think it's really ironic that Kenyon is being called out for being a normal person who wasn't capable of acting like a politician. Maybe people in here don't realise how fed up they are of career politicians who don't speak like they do.
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Sexism isn't normal.
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Banter is. Nonsense posted on social media is. Believe it or not, most people don't try to pretend that they are paragons of virtue, free from political incorrectness. Especially somewhere like Makerfield. It's not north islington.
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sexism isn't banter
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What's the strongest evidence of him being sexist?
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repeated sexist tweets and messages. over an extended period of time.
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share the worst one (in your opinion), and the date it was posted.
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No ta. Sealionning is so 2019.
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I have no idea what 'Sealionning' is. You are explicitly stating he is sexist, so I am asking for the explicit evidence. Not all of it, just the single worst offence (as you see it). Hardly reaching, is it.
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Open two tabs. Google Kenyon sexism in the first, and sealionning in the second. Job done.
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Makes no sense, why you would dodge my request. Very much suggests it's load of gaslighting.
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Not dodging. Just refusing to do the legwork for you.
If you're genuinely interested in finding out, then I've shown you the way. If not, and this is just your latest performative defence for your favourite team, than I've seen through you and saved myself the time. |
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How would I know what you think is the worst offence by running a google search anyway. That's what I am interested in.
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why would you care what I think is his worst offence? Do you not trust your own judgement?
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I did google summat
 Cambridge Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org › dictionary › hot-air If something that someone says is hot air, it is not sincere and will have no practical results: His promises turned out to be a lot of hot air |
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that's cool.
now use your new-found skill to do Kenyon sexism |
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I have no interest in searching for what a nefarious smear campaign has thrown up. You don't seem to understand the nuance, and I am going to turn in for the night. I don't give a sh11t what he has posted on twatter (years ago I assume). I am however interested in what you personally and specifically find so indignant. My suspicion is that it would be so embarrassing feeble, you are avoiding sharing it.
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No interest in finding a clip of the programme that saw a big move in the odds
And no interest in doing the slightest bit of research as to his sexist posts And you consider yourself a smart gambler! |