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By:
yak hunt
When: 11 Jun 26 13:48
NEW: Makerfield Poll

This is an internal Labour poll seen by the i Paper:

Labour: 35%
Reform: 24%
Restore: 13%
Undecided: 17%

Candidate Net Approval:

Andy Burnham: +12
Robert Kenyon: -14
By:
yak hunt
When: 11 Jun 26 13:49
I make that roughly...

Labour 42
Reform 29
Restore 16

excluding undecideds.
By:
yak hunt
When: 11 Jun 26 13:54
Throw in roughly 10% for the tories, libdems, green and the rest and that seems very feasible.
By:
Escapee
When: 11 Jun 26 14:41

I make that roughly...

Labour 42
Reform 29
Restore 16

excluding undecideds.


If that is ball park correct, then Restore Ltd will take over a third of Reforms customer base.
(I.E. assuming that if Restore Ltd were not standing then it's customers would then vote Reform Ltd)


That's a shocking loss of customers for Reform.


This is a by-election where we get to see how powerful twitters algorithms are.
Restore is backed by elmo, and it's likely that his twitter is the major tool used for Restore customer acquisition.
We get to see, from a standing start of near zero, just how many voters can be acquired by targeted social media algorithm.

By:
yak hunt
When: 11 Jun 26 14:51
Well, the Restore vote looks slightly high but multiple canvassers, particularly Labour, are coming back saying they have them in the 10% plus bracket. It's quite reasonable to assume that Restore are still making ground as their strategy appears to be targeting Reform voters, women voters and those who normally don't vote.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 14:53
Problem for Reform now is that they are a bit of a coalition. They've peeled off a good number of moderate tories who have crossed the floor as "blame all our ills on immigration" has been force-fed to the nation. But they also had a solid base of loonball racists who saw them as close enough and had a chance of making some change. Now those loonballs have a better fit.

But if Farage goes after them and mimics Lowe, he risks losing the moderate portion who aren't so enamoured by calling for riots every time a black man appears in an advert.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 16:09
Where's the problem? Labour and Tories have a problem. Reform are still leading national polls I believe. Having won the recent local elections.

Obviously people need to see a result before drawing any conclusions. I'd be pretty sceptical around some of the restore potential vote messaging. As I stated before, anyone deliberately voting restore likely wouldn't have voted at all, otherwise.

Clearly every seat is different and there is no muslim vote to speak of in this seat. Which isn't reflective of the national position. Gorton showed how that killed the labour percentage.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 16:12
Outside of betting, it will be beneficial for reform to have another party for the establishment to point their guns at. But I'm not sure that they will do well enough, we'll see.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 16:20
cb touched on rtv, and I see a corollary here. Before app voting, in the old days there was plenty of £££ to be made out of which competitor would show up well in polling. And not so well when the act of voting took some effort (eg using a telephone). Maybe some people are responding to restore but getting them to register to vote (postal vote) or actually physically on the day is another matter entirely. Maybe rupert is laying on transport for them lol, but I remain pretty sceptical it will be reflected in actual votes.
By:
Escapee
When: 11 Jun 26 16:26

Cider: As I stated before, anyone deliberately voting restore likely wouldn't have voted at all, otherwise.


Just to clarify.

Are you saying there is 10-15% of the turnout which Reform could have picked up but didn't bother to try or weren't using the right tools and so Restore just came along and picked them up?


You're kinda saying that Reform are either incompetent or aren't fighting this by-election whole heartedly.


Which do you think it is?

By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 16:31
It's pretty clear.

Turnout was dreadful at the last general election, many people weren't motivated to vote for anyone at all, and 'stayed at home'.

I think restore has a niche appeal, and if they obtain a tangible result (say 10%+) it won't be from people that would have voted labour, tory or reform if restore didn't exist. It would have been people who wouldn't have taken part. That is my instinct.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 16:35
I've explained it at length before to be fair. There are people that want reform to be ruthless. But they aren't pragmatic, and don't understand politics. Reform needs to win a ge, and ideally win an om when doing so. To do that they need to win over moderates.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 16:58
I think a huge portion of Restore voters will have previously and would have now voted Reform personally. These people are politically engaged. They're on social media and GBeebies 24/7 listening to how the politicians have failed on immigration and something needs to be done. Previously Nige was the guy to get those things done, but Rupert's come along with a much harsher tone and these guys are more swayed by that.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 16:59

Jun 11, 2026 -- 4:35PM, Cider wrote:


I've explained it at length before to be fair. There are people that want reform to be ruthless. But they aren't pragmatic, and don't understand politics. Reform needs to win a ge, and ideally win an om when doing so. To do that they need to win over moderates.


Indeed. And that's the bind they're in. Do they go more centrist and try to peel off tories and maybe an odd labour vote or two, or does he worry about the right flank and try to win back the nutjobs? You can't really do both.

By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 17:07
They are on the right path in my view. They ain't winning over the ultra wet tories or lib dum types. That pool has been exhausted. The next task was to peel off sensible labour voters ie working class. They obviously aren't going to get people who vote labour due to being statists, nhs staff and the like.

Sure, they would be winning this seat easily if it wasn't for the very unusual dynamic of voting for the labour candidate to get rid of the failing labour prime minister. That's not in reform's control though.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 17:13
Yeah, this seat isn't really indicative. Still though, far more Reform boards out than Labour and I've had a small bet on them. But the combination of Burnham's popularity and the chance to make a change is probably too good to refuse. The interesting story will be whether he can hold it at the next GE if Labour struggle under him.
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 17:20
This market is a percentage bet for me. If forced to choose I would pick Labour but way closer than the market has it. The 'conversation' has cleverly been shifted away from the actual arrogance of using voters in this seat to leapfrog into #10. and have a PM that wasn't even part of a general election. Maybe the talking heads aren't chatting about it, but in my experience northerners are not daft, will know that they are being used, and maybe that factor is significantly underplayed.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 17:35
I think northerners are not much different to other folk. They're not hobbits. And they understand the real world. They know what's happening and they're overturning an almost cert-Reform seat because they're happy to be party to it.
By:
yak hunt
When: 11 Jun 26 17:52
Looking towards a future General Election, with Restore now splitting the vote on the right with Reform and the tories, where exactly are Reform going to pick up seats? Not in Scotland as was shown in the recent Holyrood election where, even without Restore present, they were unable to win a single constituency seat. In Wales they were strong but the presence of Restore will make things much more difficult against a resurgent Plaid Cymru. In the South and South West, the LibDems must be rubbing their hands with glee as they get a free run against a split opposition. If folks vote tactically to stop Reform, they will struggle badly.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 11 Jun 26 18:04
Most party leaders get a much better vote in constituency
than general trend. In effect they have a chance to vote
for a party leader/ prime minister, who is already far
more popular than the party he represents.

Offset against ...refuk cleaned up in wards within this constituency.

Labour almost certainly want to promote restore, to split vote.. But

42% seems low, according to betting.. (You can lay o43.5 at 1.57)
By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 18:14

Jun 11, 2026 -- 5:35PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


I think northerners are not much different to other folk. They're not hobbits. And they understand the real world. They know what's happening and they're overturning an almost cert-Reform seat because they're happy to be party to it.


I've noted it before. In the south there's a tendency to treat being northern like it's a mild, unavoidable affliction. In part possibly due to regional accents. But there's definitely an underlying assumption in my view. For me, northerners have much more what I would call common sense but don't have much time for those worthy talking head chats. There won't be much truck with gender swapping for example. I think I would be far more at home oop north, and I've not ruled out retiring there. Not merseyside, you'll be pleased to hear Grin

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 11 Jun 26 18:54
Suvverner cider realising he has less common sense
but blaming it on place he was born.

Lol

Give him another go.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 20:21

Jun 11, 2026 -- 6:14PM, Cider wrote:


Jun 11, 2026 --  5:35PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:I think northerners are not much different to other folk. They're not hobbits. And they understand the real world. They know what's happening and they're overturning an almost cert-Reform seat because they're happy to be party to it.I've noted it before. In the south there's a tendency to treat being northern like it's a mild, unavoidable affliction. In part possibly due to regional accents. But there's definitely an underlying assumption in my view. For me, northerners have much more what I would call common sense but don't have much time for those worthy talking head chats. There won't be much truck with gender swapping for example. I think I would be far more at home oop north, and I've not ruled out retiring there. Not merseyside, you'll be pleased to hear


Yeah, I think you could do with spending time with some of them than just relying on old stereotypes. It’s not all flat caps and whippets.

By:
Cider
When: 11 Jun 26 20:51
Cumbria is on my radar. Pencilled plan at the moment is to do a bit of a tour of Northern racecourses, and I can scope out the areas as well. I have a few years before pension access alas, as they moved the goalposts to 57. I know how a waspi feels.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 11 Jun 26 21:30

Jun 3, 2026 -- 2:30PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


There's a hustings event at my daughter's college next week.Invites to about 50 students, but they need to be over 18 and live in the constituency.College has said they want a mix of political leanings among those kids, but apparently they're struggling to get anyone who would label themselves right wing.


My daughter managed to go to the hustings yesterday. Report is that Burnham was overwhelmingly the most popular. Applauded after every comment. Of course being responsible for free bus travel for kids went down well with the students there. Kenton again stumbled when sexism came up. Could only really manage a “he might be mayor but I drink in the same pubs as you” which was met by tumbleweed. Tory seemed a nice guy but knew he had no chance, while she preferred the Green candidate out of them all.

Arjust uour position accordingly .

By:
Escapee
When: 12 Jun 26 12:59
labour on the drift from 1.2 yesterday evening, reform in from 7.2


UK - By-Elections -- Makerfield by-election        
6 Runners            £1,545,920 Matched   



              101.9%   99.9%             
Labour    1.28 1.29 1.3   1.32   1.33   1.34   £894,840
        £86 £496 £174     £196 £111 £1  
Reform    4.2 4.4 4.5   4.6   4.7   4.9   £274,322
        £100 £79 £18     £2 £33 £97  
Restore Britain    36 38 40   42   44   46   £372,941
        £109 £61 £20     £44 £142 £28  
Green    800 810 1000   -   -   -   £3,232
        £9 £2 £67              
Conservative    690 810 1000   -   -   -   £343
        £1 £1 £363              
Liberal Democrats    660 810 1000   -   -   -   £242
        £1 £1 £412              
By:
yak hunt
When: 12 Jun 26 13:27
Yes, noticed that. Someone is coming in with chunky bets every day or so on Reform, price shortens significantly, then drifts back out until the next day when pattern repeated.
By:
blank
When: 13 Jun 26 14:46
A couple more polls;

Opinium; Labour 46%, Reform 41%, Restore 7%
More in Common; Labour 45%, Reform 40%, Restore 8%

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Makerfield_by-election

A lot closer than the last survation poll which had Labour 10 points ahead.
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Jun 26 15:14

A couple more polls;

Opinium; Labour 46%, Reform 41%, Restore 7%
More in Common; Labour 45%, Reform 40%, Restore 8%


Both those polls show reform have lost about 20% of their customers to Restore
looking Catastrophic for Reform, they would be leading if they had customer loyalty.

By:
yak hunt
When: 13 Jun 26 15:16
Yes, all to play for. I still feel that the Restore vote may be underestimated as their target group particularly focuses on folks who normally never vote. This may not be getting picked up by polling companies.
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Jun 26 17:38

I still feel that the Restore vote may be underestimated


I'm betting on the opposite, i.e. that they have been over estimated.

Green on 5-10%, Big Green on less than 5%

By:
lux
When: 13 Jun 26 21:45
I still feel that the Restore vote may be underestimated

43.9 million

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2058438480334664146
By:
pandora1963
When: 13 Jun 26 22:07
if reform win labour are toast as a political force
By:
pandora1963
When: 13 Jun 26 22:08
c ock of the north burnham may save them for a year or two
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Jun 26 23:37

lux

13 Jun 26 21:45

I still feel that the Restore vote may be underestimated

43.9 million

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2058438480334664146


I watched 2 of the 13 minutes.... does he ever stop going on about how bad it is ?


dull, dullllll with a lot of L's.



what's the difference between reform and restore?

Do they have different policies or are they both same product different company/owner?

By:
blank
When: 13 Jun 26 23:47
Labour 12 point lead- Sunday Times

Labour: 49
Reform: 37
Greens: 5
Restore: 5
Conservative: 3
Lib Dem: 1
Other: 1
By:
Escapee
When: 15 Jun 26 12:37
3 days till the polls open


UK - By-Elections -- Makerfield by-election        
6 Runners            £1,681,120 Matched   



              101.1%   99.6%             
Labour    1.21 1.23 1.24   1.25   1.26   1.27   £983,689
        £136 £372 £934     £45 £133 £322  
Reform    5.4 5.5 5.6   5.7   5.8   6   £298,856
        £19 £140 £41     £146 £196 £6  
Restore Britain    40 42 44   48   50   55   £394,729
        £486 £53 £87     £50 £63 £18  
Green    800 810 1000   -   -   -   £3,246
        £9 £2 £117              
Conservative    690 810 1000   -   -   -   £355
        £1 £1 £400              
Liberal Democrats    660 810 1000   -   -   -   £245
        £1 £1 £420              
By:
Escapee
When: 15 Jun 26 12:38
UK - By-Elections -- Makerfield - Restore Britain Vote Percentage        
9 Runners            £48,543 Matched   



              105.3%   96.3%             
Less than 5%    4.4 4.9 5   6.2   6.4   6.8   £11,518
        £35 £10 £51     £3 £10 £90  
5-9.99%    2.26 2.28 2.3   2.32   2.44   2.46   £18,433
        £69 £68 £46     £33 £16 £10  
10-14.99%    4.6 4.7 4.9   5   5.1   5.2   £8,280
        £200 £36 £4     £9 £6 £30  
15-19.99%    10 10.5 11   12.5   13   13.5   £3,537
        £50 £9 £3     £2 £2 £1  
20-24.99%    18.5 19 19.5   25   27   28   £2,782
        £1 £5 £12     £1 £1 £10  
25-29.99%    28 29 30   38   40   42   £1,557
        £8 £5 £1     £1 £1 £5  
30-34.99%    48 50 65   75   90   110   £916
        £4 £6 £1     £2 £1 £2  
35-39.99%    65 70 75   170   180   560   £620
        £21 £1 £8     £1 £1 £2  
40% or more    75 85 100   180   260   980   £899
        £1 £2 £4     £1 £1 £2  
By:
yak hunt
When: 15 Jun 26 15:56
Money piling onto Labour now. There seems to be two main reasons..

1/ Tory MPs that were canvassing at the weekend are reporting that their voters are voting Labour to stop Reform.
2/ A huge number of weekend Restore canvassers (around 700) have allegedly been quite successful and have persuaded around 400 folks to put up Restore stakes in gardens etc. That is not a huge number but it seems significant.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 15 Jun 26 16:01
1/ Tory MPs that were canvassing at the weekend are reporting that their voters are voting Labour to stop Reform.



Predictable that Farage encouraging violence on our streets to curry favour with Rupert's mob actually costs him votes on his other flank. He's got a problem trying to please both sides.
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