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......... Brexit just goes from bad to wurst......
......... Brexit just goes from bad to wurst......
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no border in the world uses such a system
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why is that?
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The UK could showcase they have developed a sufficiently working system by using it between GB and NI.
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Could then go sell it for big money to the rest of the world.
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A kind of a customs track and trace system?
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The "risk based" approach advocated by UK ,suggests that if a Tesco lorry leaves Halifax for Derry with 1000 pizzas and notifies in advance ,we can generally assume by assessing Tescos' track record it has not got any of these savage dodgy chickens and cows lapsy is so concerned about ,fs we are landing on Mars
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ok so that's Tesco covered
how about everyone else? |
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it's all going to be done on trust?
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Flat,fair play for debating your point and using "Derry". I again said earlier in the thread the UK passed laws to allow chicken/beef etc. Why won't UK agree to same standards as EU re foodstuff, it cuts out a lot of the mess.
I am very suspect why not. |
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BEST brains in uk/eu/usa cant find a single way to sq the circle in 5 yrs ,bloke on keyboard has many ways to solve it,
why dont you give them a ring and sell them your idea,s for a fortune |
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The EU are threatening tariffs on British goods if the government extend the grace period again. Its my opinion that we will and so will the EU. Boris Johnson never wanted a trade deal with the EU and bit by bit he knows that we will end up walking away from the deal with have and that's what he wanted in the first place. He also knows that Britain will never be a part of the EU ever again so he doesn't care how much the remainders complain they lost bad he won
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No not just trust ,there would also need to be a facility in NI or GB whereby The EU with its previous notifications of these damn pizzas could with reasonable doubt of either substitutions/additions etc , or suspicion of threats to the "single market" could request a detailed search.
The EU capacity for "self harm" has surprised most people ,yet if this is not sorted amicably the consequences for the people of UK and Eire are most worrying. |
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macarony all very good but where does that leave the all singing and dancing usa fta which brexit was built/sold on
people need to take a step back and remember johnson signed the protocol when trump was CIC ,do people really believe that if trump was still in charge we,d be having prezza,s today saying trump might sort it out at G 7 tomorrow  |
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luckily the army are mostly tory /brexiteers so wont mind going to belfast to defend johnsons honour
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dotch might even enlist
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Your assuming that Boris wanted a deal with the Americans or they with us after all it just easily been Boris and Trump ramping the EU. The problem being out of the frying pan and into the fire. Doing a deal with a larger organisation than yourself often ends going in one direction, they will have the upper hand. You will also have to accept political direction just like we did from the EU. The beauty of deals with equal or smaller partners then the advantage is either in our favour or is equal to both. Say what you will about Britain's special relationship with the US they call tunes
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MOST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD worth doing deals with are already in trading blocks, aussies,japan, already pulled lizz trusses pants down and tickled her bum,they all no uk is desperate to announce quick deals and will agree to anything to get them,
aussies in their opinion already drew massive concessions from uk and had lizzie has said its almost a done deal,no doubt they be back for something else at the 24th hr |
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whilst uk has been in so called protectionist EU for 40 yrs the countries uk now ewant to do deals with have got themselves organised,joined joined trading blocks ,learned the hard yards of trade deal negotiations , they havnt sat about for 40 yrs waiting for uk to leave the EU
lord frost,currently proving the theory correct in spades |
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In order to "get brexit done" seems everything signed with no intention to comply,the UK seems to think it is still in negotiations for what it signed last year.
EU look to be very close to applying tariffs on UK exports |
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flat16 09 Jun 21 14:56
I tax my vehicle electronically ,I do not walk to DVLA Swansea or stand in a post office queue ,there are many ways to solve this with mutual cooperation ,rather than pedantic bureaucratic manual inspections. people don't have use some rubbish analogies on these threads. |
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interesting psychological phenomena at play here, with the idea that 'they don't really need to bother checking goods at their border, they're just being awkward'
this thinking could be based on a couple of things. If you're generally cynical about politics and politicians then the simple mistrust of motives makes sense. They're choosing to obey their own rules out of spite (as opposed to because they have to). Makes sense, I understand why a cynic would think this was a motivator. It (thinking they should just pretend they checked goods at the border, or simply trust household brands like Tesco) also indicative of the success of the anti EU propaganda which has been at play here in the UK for many years. If you have been brought round to believe that the EU is sh1t, then of course, you wouldn't think there were any benefits of membership and you wouldn't suppose that members would - good faith - simply want to protect their own interests. So I suppose the point is this: even if you think (honestly) that the EU could simply stop protecting its members interests if it really wanted to; they have shown no indication that's what they'll do. So bleating that 'it's their fault' isn't a solution to the UK's current problem. The problem being that we signed up to an internal border between NI and the rest of the UK, and we are discovering the practical manifestation of that border is problematic in the real world. We need an actual solution. Blaming 'them' isn't a solution. |
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6 months ago the 'solution' offered was to simply deny reality:
"there's no border in the Irish Sea, I would never sign up to that" As the 4 tops sang, it's the same old song the wrong guy is in charge; he creates problems with his lies, he doesn't solve them |
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The U.K. didn’t sign up to not being able to send produce from within the U.K. from one part of the U.K. to another
Get your facts right |
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They are showing the clip of him on the telly this morning about throwing any custom checks in the bin,there won't be any.
Signed because he was having a "torrid time"(telegraph). A great deal where everyone "will prosper mightily" |
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No Lfc,you are sending goods from the UK to the EU(NI)
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There are always custom checks on every border in the world
Of course that shouldn’t stop trade |
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If it’s the EU it can be checked in an EU country , the south of Ireland is in the EU
Learn to respect the rules as such |
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It’s a bit much the south of Ireland being in the EU and expecting the U.K. to do it’s work for them , lol
such a cheek |
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It is the united EU island of Ireland now Lfc, that is what the UK wanted,agreed to and signed,sin a bhfuil.
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There’s a legally and internationally recognised border in Ireland , own it
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Thats like a kinda lepruachuan border, it is there and it isn't,thanks for all your hard work bringing this about Lfc.
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yes be grateful to the UK people lp there’s an invisible border between Ireland and the U.K. and mainland Britain
Say thanks |
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Isn't simply now a case of wanting to blame the right Irish faction. If the border's in the sea then it's the Loyalists kicking off. If it's on the border then it's the Unionists. Obviously there's the GFA and the fact that the Unionists were at war with the UK for so many years.
But I think the government now regrets its decision and, as part of the new culture wars policy, would rather have the hard border and let the Unionists re-start their campaigns. At least then they can just hide behind their flags and QEII portraits and blame the trouble on rowdy, unpatriotic ne'er-do-wells rather than "decent, hard-working, patriots". |
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Lol , I think you will find it was the republicans at war with the U.K. government pp
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We’ve heard it all now , more upside down thinking
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Soz, yeah. Replace Unionists with Republicans.
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Overall sentiment is very plausible in your post PP,Lfc is right with the terminology ie,loyalists= Unionists in NI basically,and Nationalists = United Ireland.
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Sorry your post still doesn’t make sense
Let me explain , the U.K. government is doing its best to make sure there is little or no border in Ireland or in the Irish Sea That’s an attempt to uphold the gfa and maintain peace |
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I’m sure we can all agree that’s a good thing
Now I’m sorry but that means that trade must continue uninterrupted from mainland Britain to NI |
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if by 'doing its best to avoid a border' you mean signing up to an international treaty which creates a border in the Irish Sea, then you're correct.
if you're using words with their traditional meanings then, of course, as so often sadly, you're incorrect. |