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......... Brexit just goes from bad to wurst......
......... Brexit just goes from bad to wurst......
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Such a fuss , the U.K. government will ensure that Cumberland sausages will be in the NI supermarkets
Thats not going to change .. over to you Brussels |
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lfc, brexit means brexit. we are the same as any other 3rd country. Its what we (ie. england) wanted.
If EU allows this then other countries allowed to import processed meat..... big problems, pest control etc. As per my previous post - we have got to stop this. "we are out of EU ( that includes NI) but they have to take our cumberland sausages  ". We are making fools of ourselves. We are our. Accept it. Get on with it, and stop annoying them looking for exceptions.Its no deal or GB is allowed to export cumberland sausages to NI? Our choice. We made it..... Brexit means.... |
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Well if the EU wants no deal and a border in the south of Ireland that’s up to them
I think it’s more sensible to allow Cumberland sausages in NI |
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There are multiple 'problematic' items one could pull from that article. Here's one The Nazis made us sign the protocol. Utter bollox. If one British person (or counsel) claims something, it doesn't mean we all do. Obviously. Lots of people say lots of things, especially when making legal or political arguments. It's knowingly disingenuous to frame it like that, like that's what everyone thinks. I've never heard anyone make a correlation between ww2 and brexit until reading that post. Laced with hate.
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Thats valid.
GB importing food NI is important than GB importing food to EU27. Nothing wrong with your viewpoint. I have a feeling that decision was made a long time ago. everything in this world has a price. Tories paid very little..... the DUP ( currently in turmoil). Tories will pay the real price in time. |
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Don’t worry about the DUP or Sinn Fein , The EU will not stop produce from travelling from Britain to NI - end of story
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The CTA history is quite interesting as it happens. It's not something I've investigated, just aware of what my Mum has informed me of her background (coming to England to get a job in her teens, from a farm in rural Ireland to living in Berwick Street) it was somewhat of a culture shock!. I've always had the option of an Irish pp obviously so not looked into the CTA in depth.
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Cider 08 Jun 21 19:20
There are multiple 'problematic' items one could pull from that article. Here's one The Nazis made us sign the protocol. Utter bollox. If one British person (or counsel) claims something, it doesn't mean we all do. Obviously. Lots of people say lots of things, especially when making legal or political arguments. It's knowingly disingenuous to frame it like that, like that's what everyone thinks. I've never heard anyone make a correlation between ww2 and brexit until reading that post. Laced with hate. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Fair play. I re=read it in that context. Certainly over the top. Accepted. However this idea of "victimhood" I buy into - when the EU treats us a non-member they are being "vindictive" etc etc. We need to understand they actually dont have a choice unless we sign specific agreements. From an EU perspective we are a 3rd country unless we treaty otherwise on specifics. My other point about ROI-UK relations I assume you've accepted that. We requested and still wish that (sure NI citizens certainly do) . I also assumed we "bequeathed " that to ROI until I learned in a Dublin pub ( and verified) it was and is the other way round |
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posted before saw your reply
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but ni is part of the eu for goods so is in effect a separate country, part of the eu. There will be no border in the Irish Sea Swag...You Lie |
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Do they sell Cumberland Saysages in Scotland?
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Tes Minister. they saw it coming.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZvLVhhjJs&ab_channel=ChannelBrexitChannelBrexit |
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Yes*
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Cumberland Sausages?
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By the way NI farmers may be quite happy if they are banned
It’s good for them , buy cookstown sausages |
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The more I see of the NI protocol , the more it seems to be a good thing for NI
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Cider • June 8, 2021 8:20 PM BST
There are multiple 'problematic' items one could pull from that article. Here's one The Nazis made us sign the protocol. Utter bollox. If one British person (or counsel) claims something, it doesn't mean we all do. Obviously. Lots of people say lots of things, especially when making legal or political arguments. It's knowingly disingenuous to frame it like that, like that's what everyone thinks. I've never heard anyone make a correlation between ww2 and brexit until reading that post. Laced with hate. deeply ironic and hypocritical that a poster who so often uses the third person should say this. £ https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1091728290337959936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1091728290337959936%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F04%2Fdo-mention-the-war-the-politicians-comparing-brexit-to-wwii tory mp daniel kawczynskidefinitely correlating the war to brexit £ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/do-mention-the-war-the-politicians-comparing-brexit-to-wwii several politicians (including a remainer) getting their war references in £ https://theconversation.com/brexit-is-not-world-war-ii-politicians-should-stop-comparing-them-111286 more of the same |
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lfc, did you know Yul Brynner was a life long Liverpool supporter who incidentally never used aftershave.
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For me the argument to leave the EU was very strong. It was never going to be easy, if it happened. There are many vested interests, and you'll never find me saying that people on the UK side are beyond reproach.
There was a lot of baggage to sort out, after political mistakes of the past. I don't blame Ireland or the EU for striving for what it wants but I do think NI has been used as leverage and the NI people don't deserve that. There is no reason why amicable solutions can't be found. Not perfect, but amicable. I have a good friend that I discussed Brexit with rationally. He voted remain but wasn't a remoaner. Genuinely, after the vaccine shenanigans he now appreciates why I was so committed to leaving. It always needs repeating, Brexit is not a nirvana. It was never meant to be. We've got some tools, you're only as good as the builders using them. But, I much prefer having the tools. |
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the vaccine decisions were taken when were in a transition period during which all eu laws and regulations were still in force, it is disingenuous nonsense to claim this as a brexit benefit when we could have taken the same decisions if we were members.
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Keep on sending out the sausages Boris
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jolly, nice work but I said I heard anyone, not that it never happened. It's not a fair characterisation of how most UK citizens feel I don't believe.
As I also wrote: Lots of people say lots of things, especially when making legal or political arguments. |
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lfc did you see my post above.
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your head must be permanently buried in the sand to miss all the things that pass you by.
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the vaccine decisions were taken when were in a transition period during which all eu laws and regulations were still in force, it is disingenuous nonsense to claim this as a brexit benefit when we could have taken the same decisions if we were members.
I'm not having another discussion about vaccines. That was my friend's position, who voted to remain. Unprompted by me I believe it's more to do with the EU's reaction to the UK's flying start, happy to jeopardise lives and undermine the vax, rather than the actual procurement. |
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lfc1971 08 Jun 21 19:46
The more I see of the NI protocol , the more it seems to be a good thing for NI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100 % true. haven't been on forum much lately - even though continued working from home - very busy, new job, other gone - Brexit related as I've mentioned here often before, worked out ok for me, few quid in pocket and easy enough to get new role (IT). Working contract for irish company on a dutch banking project. I understand the emotional "issue" about NI being part of EU - but bloody hell what an opportunity. So envious - imagine Scotland had the same advantages. the irish company I'm working for, is (not confirmed) but very likely making major investment in Belfast. Makes sense. |
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foxy I can only see part of it on my phone , it’s disappeared off the screen
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Something about Yul Brenner , got as far as that
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Ok hereit is, Did you know Yul Brynner was a lifelong Liverpool fan who never used aftershave.
It's true........Yul never wore colonge.  I'll get me coat. |
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That's what lockdown has done to me.
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cider?
EU treating Uk as 3rd country - has no choice? irish citizens in UK, not favourable treatment - its a UK request focussed on NI citizens? Do you agree? |
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I've only briefly scanned the history of the CTA. Far too much to dig into tonight. My sense is that over a long period of evolution, there are far more Irish citizens that benefit from the arrangement, and most to lose if it was culled (hopefully not!). But I would want to dig deeper.
With regard to the 3rd country. As Ireland is a tiny island comparatively, it should not be beyond the combined wit of the EU and UK to ensure there is not wholesale traffic of goods that go from east to west and then on to the EU via Ireland. |
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Can you buy Cumberland Sausages in Scotland?
Serious question! |
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"I do think NI has been used as leverage and the NI people don't deserve that."
nobody in GB who voted for Brexit gives a **** about NI or even thought about them |
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how was Brexit ever not going to be a massive problem for NI?
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there are 500,000 ROI born Irish citizens in UK
there are 100,000 UK citizens in ROI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Nationalities_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland there are proportionally more Brits here than Oirish in GB |
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Think you’ll find those U.K. citizens living in Ireland are Irish ( in any event a few thousand is nothing we need millions to leave to have any impact )
There are millions of Irish people living in Britain ..more than live in Ireland That’s the important statistic |
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imagine the state you'd be in without them
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seems like more Brits want to live in Ireland than vice versa
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