The EU knows that your standards were at the time of the agreement. They do not know which way the standards will have developed, and to what extend they will have deviated in 10 years time.

The UK is not going to rejoin the EU next year, are they? So you gotta plan ahead.

That's nonsense as all of our standards are published, and if they are changed there would be advance notice.

is it always wet and miserable in Ireland lapsy?

And you think it's practical for everyone to scramble then?


Has the discussion moved to eggs?

We scrambled when it was identified the EU were exporting horse burgers.

Better to deal with these things in a more planned way.

It is wetter and more miserable generally,not colder though, not many Irish wear shorts unless playing GAA.

Again though, Cider: The UK had every choice to walk away. Don't ****g sign something that you will then whine about endlessly.

Cider • June 8, 2021 3:49 PM BST
These compromises were enforced due to the hollow threat of EU putting up a border. Where has the author referenced this at all? Or reference the concessions that Irish citizens enjoy who reside in the UK.

The EU doesn't NEED to apply rigorous checks on goods moving east to west in the UK. It WANTS to. Does the author dig into WHY. No sane person thinks they could be substandard. So what are the motives.

this is complete nonsense, if the eu doesnt apply the same checks to these goods as it does to the goods of other third countries it would likely be breaking wto most favoured nation rules and face proceedings from other third countries. the way to get around this is to strike a deal that deals with these measures.

not really sure you are on safe ground complaining about the eu exporting horse burgers when some countries are only now letting the uk export beef after mad cow and foot and mouth diseases. funnily enough ian paisley was very happy to describe his cows as irish which meant they could be sold in markets where british beef was not allowed.

Also, again: "Substandard" doesn't necessarily have to mean "bad" or unhealthy. Just that folks do not agree on what is actually good enough (or helps their interests).

If the EU one day deems a UK products substandard, that's not necessarily a "diss" of the UK products and a diss of the glorious United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It just means that they like their products differently, or that their lobbies did good work to exclude competition from elsewhere.

Indeed.the United EU island of Ireland.

They wouldn't, but why should the Republic of Ireland be the one who has checks implemented between itself and the rest of the EU when it was you guys who wanted to leave?

The best solution for everyone is to allow east to west and west to east trade as normal. But ensure it is policed so that the NI route to EU market is not abused. It seems simple enough, and in everyone's interest. You could have random checks like they do for cars and fuel already.

even the experts arent sure of many of these things, it is very complicated. not much the wto do if if you do break their rules much of the time and cases take years but even so.

this is why it is best to negotiate properly and allow scrutiny before signing a deal. playing hardball, capitulating at the last minute, claiming a great victory, then disowning your own deal and blaming the other side is fairly obviously completely dishonest and makes our country look like bad actors, not just to the eu but to the rest of the world.

both sides talking past each other but the government cant expect the eu to be flexible when it has made little effort to do the things it signed up to. there are government and eu documents which show this was not unexpected, claims from the government and its lickspittle supporters in the press that this is some kind of surprise are just more lies.

such is the government's wish to grab headlines by announcing deals, any deals, that the aussies didnt expect to get zero tariff, zero quota and not have to give anything in return and are apparently overjoyed. the problem is other countries like nz and the mercosur group will see this and expect similar treatment.

it wont be english/uk sausages shortly will iot,it will be aussie/usa meat imported to uk repackaged,used as ingredients in other food stuffs and  moved through NI into the single market,
if uk wanted eu to go light touch they shouldnt really have truss boasting about these deals

There is a theoretical risk, and it shouldn't be ignored either. But it should be managed by exception, heavy penalties for abusers etc.

I'm biased but we want to retain good relations with Ireland. In my view, people in the debate should acknowledge there have been bad actors with questionable intent on both sides. And whatever the suits do, the people affected by the decisions should be the priority. The piece that was posted above was heavily biased.

Cider 08 Jun 21 14:53 
My Mum is one of those Irish citizens who has benefited from concessions that they receive living in the UK. So I should know. But the piece is laced with bitterness and hate.
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I've never seen it before. Its an excellent article.  Basically if Brexit doesn't work its everybody else's fault - especially the EU who have the temerity to treat us as if we are not members of the EU just because we don't want to be members.

Now - as to your first point "those Irish citizens who has benefited from concessions that they receive living in the UK"...  is that because they have the freedom to live, work and travel and vote in the UK?  Basically classified as non-foreign?

You might be interested to hear that is a recipirocal arrangement GRANTED by ROI on request by the UK  (to cater for NI citizens). Not the other way around. At the time politically unpopular in ROI and rushed through. Its at the UK request not ROI. UK citizens get same rights (but not all elections - dont know which - obviously not EU elections any more - I got schooled on this when working over there)