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A pinch of salt,... Approval ratings
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Just because I do not bet on Politics does not mean I have an opinion. The last bet I had on Politics was for the Conservative Party to win by a clear majority. And I voted Corbyn at the last two elections. Not thinking he would win but because I thought he had the best policies. The tories never had any policies at the last election and May was a complete disaster in the one before.
I have no idea what Starmer's policies are and, I guess neither do you. I do know what Boris's aims are after this virus so your supporting Starmer is completely blind. That is not betting on politics in my book. At least Corbyn had a plan and a vision of the future if he had managed to seize power. Hague was arguing against himself with Blair because he was a conservative in everything but name. Let's see what Starmer is. My guess he will simply shadow the Tories and hope that they lose enough confidence for the voters to want change. I don't think for one tiny minute he will out-policy the tories especially with Boris stating there will be no return to austerity. |
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Of course there is a slim chance Starmer will want to rejoin the EU but the last election showed that would a huge gamble I do not think the Labour Party will want to be involved in any time soon. Without the NHS Labour is toast and Boris is doing, and will continue to do, a great job in that respect.
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And if you don't bet on politics, what exactly are you doing on a politics betting forum?
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Why do you keep answering my posts then when they are clearly not aimed at you? If only people who match your views are allowed to post on here why don't you say so?
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I am replying to your posts such as you saying I am Scottish (three times I had to tell you I wasn't) and you saying I support Starmer...
I do know what Boris's aims are after this virus so your supporting Starmer is completely blind. |
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And I cannot remember seeing anything about having a bet on anything ffs.
This is an open forum about politics and I think it is healthy to share views. You may disagree with mine and I may disagree with yours that is exactly what a forum is for. I suggest you reread your 9.25 post. |
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There are plenty of politics forums, such as...
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/ Betting isn't of much interest on there (unlike here) and is an excellent site. |
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Brigust must be on a wind up
Clueless is an overestimate of his grasp on politics |
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brigust1 i would give up, the majority on the politics fourm are anti tory & anti boris, they live in their own little world
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Brigust.
The only reason why Labour are not in power now is CORBYN and the looney left. After this mess and the needless deaths through Tory incompetence its almost a certainty that Starmer will win the next election and God knows its critical for so many that he does. Johnson has all but disappeared and that is noticed by many in his own party it is one of his countless failings and they are not happy. Some very powerful people in his own party are already looking for his replacement. At present we are led by Dads Army and that is not funny, it has no leaders. Starmer looks different class and its starting to show in a very big way. |
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Brigust.
The only reason why Labour are not in power now is CORBYN and the looney left. After this mess and the needless deaths through Tory incompetence its almost a certainty that Starmer will win the next election and God knows its critical for so many that he does. Johnson has all but disappeared and that is noticed by many in his own party it is one of his countless failings and they are not happy. Some very powerful people in his own party are already looking for his replacement. At present we are led by Dads Army and that is not funny, it has no leaders. Starmer looks different class and its starting to show in a very big way. |
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There are others who aren't anti anything,they don't accept being lied to,don't like policies where the average person is worse off,don't like a shambolic handling of a crisis.
Others are blinded through sheer allegiance and prepared to take it. |
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Just to save any confusion PP and because you seem to think you are the only person I am responding to on the Politics forum when I am referring to you specifically I use will use your quote. Just to avoid confusion, you understand.
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Sky,
There are a lot of posters on here that unlike you are not blind. I look forward to the day you recognise that this is a deeply damaging, hopeless Tory party who only the dim and stupid support. And before you boringly type your usual reply, remember its obvious to most you are a disgrace to your country and care little for honesty and a fair society. |
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Sky,
There are a lot of posters on here that unlike you are not blind. I look forward to the day you recognise that this is a deeply damaging, hopeless Tory party who only the dim and stupid support. And before you boringly type your usual reply, remember its obvious to most you are a disgrace to your country and care little for honesty and a fair society. |
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So good you said it twice Moondan.
I am sure you understand PP, but when I use 'you' and 'your' it is a generalisation as a response to a group suggesting Starmer or Sturgeon is doing this that or the other. |
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Brigust,
I have no problem with anything you say or do. Your worth a read and probably like me only insult those that are fully deserving |
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Moon I hope I do not insult anyone. That is never my intention. My views may differ from some but that is why forums are a good place to discuss and proffer views openly.
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brigust trust me you will get no sense out of this lot, if youre views dont agree with them they will insult you till the cows come home
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Who knew Darth Vader was such a snowflake?
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Certainly would have made the ending of Empire different if he was telling Luke how his feelings were hurt by the lack of acceptance and accusing him of anti-Sithism.
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see what i mean bigrust, if you are anti tory anti boris you will get on fine, if youre after normal conversation with normal formites this isnt the place
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lord skywalker you must be on the wind up as up to recently this forum has been a cesspool of right wing bigotry which has ceased slightly to due to a couple of posters pissing off though no doubt they will reappear sometime
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UK (GB), Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll:
CON-ECR: 47% (-3) LAB-S&D: 35% (+4) LDEM-RE: 9% (+2) SNP-G/EFA: 4% GREENS-G/EFA: 3% (-2) PC-G/EFA: 0% +/- vs. 6 May 2020 Fieldwork: 15 May 2020 Sample size: 1,500 |
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Fife, you only have to mention you are a tory supporter and you are condemned straight away, just see moondan's posts above
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
It's starting to remind me of polling in the run up to the 2017 general election. |
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Lord skywalker I honestly think compared to other threads on here normally by the right wingers insulting anyone who doesn't share their blinkered thinking you have got off reasonably lightly. Just because you are a tory does not mean you are not allowed to be critical of the government and the prime minister when they have been caught out over recent events.
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Approval ratings may be a good indicator of a result on the eve of an election but they are surely worth very little so early in the cycle.I'm sure I read in 1991 that George Bush Snr had the highest approval rating in the then 60 year history of such things.
The current political situation could hardly be more favourable to Starmer. Just him and Boris in the courtroom type setting of PMQs. I am not going to defend the calibre of Tory cabinet ministers but the shadow cabinet is absolutely gruesome, and the relative absence of those people right now is good for Starmer. Starmer has had nothing of any difficulty to deal with up to now. |
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It's virtually impossible to judge any of the shadow cabinet right now as they won't be sighted until things are getting back to normal. Labour are making up ground as Boris leadership approval ratings are sinking and folks like Hancock and Patel are paraded at briefings.
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Following polls is a dangerous business. The day before the last General Election YouGov predicted the Tories to win by 28 seats.
Remember, too, that on the day before the general election in 2017 most pollsters were predicting a Conservative majority, in some cases of as many as 82 seats. In the event, the Tories failed to achieve a majority. |
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That is why I think listening to polls and approval ratings at this time of a government is meaningless though often quoted as if reliable.
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I don't think they are 100% reliable or anything approaching it. Individual polls are a guide, a snapshot in time, which can be very useful in building up data over a period of time, particularly in categories like age and region. At general elections, some can be incredibly accurate, others not so. The general election of 2017 was the turning point for many polling companies as their weightings were out of date which made some of the companies look very poor indeed. The main error they made was vastly underestimating the voting intentions of younger voters and folks that didn't normally vote, coupled with overestimating elderly voters. This was highlighted many times in the forum thread for that election.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_United_Kingdom_general_election
Here is the opinion polls for that 2017 General election. At one time the tories had a lead of 50-25 (20th April), and 48-28 (14th May) before the roof started caving in. |
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From yougov...
On the opposite side of the house Sir Keir Starmer has seen his favourability rise in recent weeks, with the leader of the opposition now commanding 39% positive favourability among Britons, up from 31% in late April. Three in ten (30%) have an unfavourable opinion of Keir Starmer, leaving him with a net favourability score of 9, a two point lead on the Prime Minister. However, despite a prime time BBC News slot earlier this week, a third (32%) of Brits still don’t know enough about the opposition leader to comment. Because of this, we should compare Johnson and Starmer’s net scores cautiously. Elsewhere in the House, Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak has seen his favourability rise again, possibly due to the announcement that the Treasury will extend the furlough scheme. Overall 54% of Brits now have a positive opinion of Sunak - a six percentage point increase in the last week. Only 19% of Brits have an unfavourable opinion of the Chancellor, giving him a net favorability of 35. |
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Elsewhere in that yougov favourability poll, Hancock is at -1, Raab is at -3 and Patel is at -34.
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