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By:
moisok
When: 24 Jan 19 23:36
fats is just another mouthpiece for brussels - it is all you need to know

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 00:01

Jan 24, 2019 -- 11:28PM, akabula wrote:


FS the EU and the UK are in exactly the same position.Whatever happens in respect of a No Deal impacts on us all.Yet you seem to see this as a disaster for the UK but not the EU. Why?


No, you’re wrong in all of this post except that it’s correct to say that no deal does impact significantly on the EU as well as the UK (but I’ve never said otherwise). It’s not symmetrical though because far more of a proportion of our trade is with the EU than vice versa. The EU negotiators are very keen to avoid no deal but will judge, probably correctly, that:
a) we have more to lose
b) we’re not all morons so
c) we will avoid no deal somehow and also
d) giving away enough to get May’s WA through would be both highly damaging to the EU and still not entirely likely to work anyway

It’s uncertain because c) doesn’t have a clear form yet but Grieve etc. (yes I know, traitors) have put a lot of work in to this.

Moisok, well done with your usual non argument. If you were any good at ad homs I’d have a bit more sympathy but you could surely wind up the invective a bit.

By:
akabula
When: 25 Jan 19 00:29
FS which countries are the biggest importer of German cars?
The top 3 will do? But in order please.
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Jan 19 01:15
The Philippines have a free trade agreement with the EU ( and no freedom of movement )
So you can forget all that nonsense about it being against WTO rules
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Jan 19 01:18
Fatslogger has got his sums wrong , any profit that Britain makes on trade will be for Britain alone
Any profit the EU makes will be divided between 27 different countries , good luck with that
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Jan 19 10:25
It's pretty clear from the article, that we can continue trading on a temporary basis for possibly two years without any problems under WTO rules until an agreement is reached.
The word to stress there is temporary.
So if both sides agree, and why shouldn't they if it's in the best interests of all parties? It seems the best way to handle a no deal exit giving us plenty of time to adjust.
By:
1st time poster
When: 25 Jan 19 10:36
off course one might ask if its as simple as you seem to state why didn't the EU and the uk break on wto rules 2 years ago
why dont greece,italy.portugal etc,etc all say they leaving give it a go under wto rules ,stay as they are for 2 years pay nothing for the privilege and see how it goes, seems a foooking rather selective reading of the wto rules as usual from the NO DEAL NO PROBS LOONS IMO
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Jan 19 10:48
Why don't you attempt to answer your own questions 1tp?

And for a start it might be a good idea to stop calling people names who you don't agree with. Which only weakens your position when people realise that you can't make a case without displaying an hysterical streak.
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 17:22
with all the quislings on here talking down uk plc you do really have to wonder where their priorities and allegiances lie.  Certainly have no interest in promoting our country.
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Jan 19 17:35
no dealers are the quislings, wrecking the country for their own gain

how much did they make ?
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 17:44
people like osmond do not want success, they just want to talk the country down to force us to accept what the giant federalist experiment tells us

I have never understood why these 'progressives' support such a great centralised  monster that we have very little influence over (8 percent?)
Do they have other interests I wonder?  Of course they would never reveal them on here.  I know at least two lecture us from the eu for starters.
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Jan 19 17:57
more abuse moisok, mobo, not allowed to be

ho ho ho

never change do you?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Jan 19 18:02
Perhaps the remainers fancy a bit of EU nationals service in the army?
It can't be long before that kicks off.

Or perhaps they like working for low wages driven by competition from the continent?
Not to mention being ruled by the EU.
Then there's the Euro, Tony Blair that great remainer can't wait to get us trapped in the Euro. So what game is he playing and whose side is he on?
I'd love to know who pulls Tony Blair's strings.
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 18:02
abuse???   wot on earth are you on about - what abuse is that???  kindly show please
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 18:03
I may have hit a nerve - do you think the progressives are panicking???
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Jan 19 18:14
Dr Crippen • January 25, 2019 6:02 PM GMT
Perhaps the remainers fancy a bit of EU nationals service in the army?
It can't be long before that kicks off.

Lol, what next?
By:
1st time poster
When: 25 Jan 19 18:14
mr Brexit sorry mr Weatherspoon pays the legal minimum £8.10p althought 1000,s of companies pay the higher ,living wage, nothing stopping mr Brexit payiny 10,11,12,13,14 quid an hr if he wishes, if mr Weatherspoon got a boris jiohnson government and his beloved Singapore on thames more chance of mr Brexit paying £7 an hr
By:
1st time poster
When: 25 Jan 19 18:18
those horrible germans, in their supermarkets aldi,lidle etc as well as selling cheaper food pay between 10 and 11 quid an hr even though legally could get away with paying 8 qwuid like mr brexit
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Jan 19 18:18
minimum wage for 18-20 year olds is under 6 quid an hour

ever wonder why bar staff look younger?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Jan 19 18:22
Singapore on Thames run by Boris Johnson - now there's a good idea.

And ethnic cleansing right out as well.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 25 Jan 19 18:24
Hang on that should be social cleansing.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:33

Jan 25, 2019 -- 12:29AM, akabula wrote:


FS which countries are the biggest importer of German cars?The top 3 will do? But in order please.


Obviously I could google this in order to help you make your point but as your point is a bit silly and your trap as obvious as it is inept, I won’t. We all know the UK imports a lot of German cars, along with loads of other stuff from the EU. How does that in any way invalidate a thing I said?

By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 19:38
IT'S ALL OVER

I told you there were signs of panic.

Europe or the Eu.   Anyway  - 


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our-eyes-say-30-top-intellectuals
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:40

Jan 25, 2019 -- 1:18AM, lfc1971 wrote:


Fatslogger has got his sums wrong , any profit that Britain makes on trade will be for Britain alone Any profit the EU makes will be divided between 27 different countries , good luck with that


Good luck with what? Making any kind of sense out of what you’re posting? I’ll need a lot of luck. Like Aka you think you’re being clever but are not actually saying anything that undermines my point that the UK will be very badly affected by any significant impediments to our trade with the EU (both imports and exports, by the way), whereas the EU will take less of a hit because per country, the effect is significantly less for them. This isn’t a complex point, although I appreciate it’s an inconvenient one for leavers so you try to ignore or elide it. If you’re still both struggling, perhaps you could think what proportion of say German trade is with the UK, versus what proportion of UK trade is with the EU.

By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Jan 19 19:42
Fats, just block lfc. He is a schizophrenic.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:45

Jan 25, 2019 -- 7:38PM, moisok wrote:


IT'S ALL OVERI told you there were signs of panic.Europe or the Eu.   Anyway  -  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our...


Your link doesn’t work but the article bemoans Brexit and the rise of populism and says that people should stand up for the idea of Europe. It’s an article in favour of Europe!

By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:45

Jan 25, 2019 -- 7:42PM, politicspunter wrote:


Fats, just block lfc. He is a schizophrenic.


Literally?

By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Jan 19 19:45
Yes, both of him.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:48

Jan 25, 2019 -- 7:45PM, politicspunter wrote:


Yes, both of him.


It’s not actually a condition of split personality, funnily enough. Without trying to be rude, the incoherence would be consistent though.

By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Jan 19 19:50
Laugh
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 19:52
IT IS DEFINITELY ALL OVER 


I did tell you earlier in the month

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our-eyes-say-30-top-intellectuals

do you think they might not get paid?   are they worried?    - when we leave they are going to be down billions ho ho
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 19:54
germany sneaking close to recession whilst filling up with more and more social problems and having to pour out money to pay the growing number of non working incomers

a bit like we do
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 19:56
That’s a better attempt at the link but an even worse interpretation of the article. They have no concerns about EU mechanism, the details of Brexit negotiations, the divorce bill or trade arrangements. They’re interested in the intellectual and cultural elements of Europe and afraid that people and movements, funnily enough like ones you espouse, could vandalise what has been a force for civilised progress. Did you actually read the article?

Immigrants are mostly in work, by the way, disproportionately so.
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 19:59
there won't be an eu to negotiate at this rate - they sure are rattled

even your mate barnier has been backing off

it is so funny
By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 20:00
I call it the Dewsbury effect.
By:
akabula
When: 25 Jan 19 20:03
...Whilst pp/meadow is a troll.
We are the biggest importers of German cars (769k) ahead of the USA(494k) and China(258k).
FS if we are out with No Deal do you think Germany will just wipe their hands and say Que Sera?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 20:11

Jan 25, 2019 -- 7:59PM, moisok wrote:


there won't be an eu to negotiate at this rate - they sure are rattledeven your mate barnier has been backing offit is so funny


Your confirmation bias is working overtime here.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 20:12

Jan 25, 2019 -- 8:03PM, akabula wrote:


...Whilst pp/meadow is a troll.We are the biggest importers of German cars (769k) ahead of the USA(494k) and China(258k). FS if we are out with No Deal do you think Germany will just wipe their hands and say Que Sera?


No. Why would I think that? What do you think will happen?

By:
moisok
When: 25 Jan 19 20:12
Germany will not be concerned about no sales to the uk  - their invasion eastwards will make up for it!!!!
By:
Fatslogger
When: 25 Jan 19 20:13

Jan 25, 2019 -- 8:12PM, moisok wrote:


Germany will not be concerned about no sales to the uk

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