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As discussed in Parliament recently.
A ‘Managed No Deal’ WTO option using Article 24 of GATT can avoid raising tariffs or quotas''
All explained here.
https://brexitcentral.com/managed-no-deal-wto-option-using-article-24-gatt-can-avoid-raising-tariffs-quotas/
''In the event of No Deal, there is a strong case to maintain preferential tariff and quota rates at zero between the UK and the EU for a limited period – thought to be around two years.''
Time enough I would think to come to some long term trading agreement, free from the negative influence of treacherous UK MPs whose only desire is to avert the will of the people.
And also concentrate the minds of the EU negotiators on meaningful discussions.
A ‘Managed No Deal’ WTO option using Article 24 of GATT can avoid raising tariffs or quotas''
All explained here.
https://brexitcentral.com/managed-no-deal-wto-option-using-article-24-gatt-can-avoid-raising-tariffs-quotas/
''In the event of No Deal, there is a strong case to maintain preferential tariff and quota rates at zero between the UK and the EU for a limited period – thought to be around two years.''
Time enough I would think to come to some long term trading agreement, free from the negative influence of treacherous UK MPs whose only desire is to avert the will of the people.
And also concentrate the minds of the EU negotiators on meaningful discussions.
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yeah, lets keep our tariffs at zero for them whilst they raise theirs for us
that will concentrate their minds |
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Should the EU raise tariffs we can do likewise
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they already have tariffs, we will be subject to them under no deal
article 24 is shirley the framework for mays deal anyway, bar the timelimit, and backstop |
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no , tariffs do not have to change under no deal
They can stay the same until new trade arrangements are in place It’s up to the EU and Britain |
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if they stay the same then we have a deal
so it cant be no deal |
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That’s fine , there is no such thing as a no deal
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It's pretty clear that the cliff edge image promoted by the remain desperadoes, of a no deal exit from the EU is fiction to say the least.
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nothing is clear, far from it.
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no disrespect but basically you,ve no idea none of us have your holding your finger in the air and whistling in the wind
lets hope farmers,workers at airbus,sony,panosonic etc,etc share your enthusiasm |
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the cliff edge is not fiction, but will obviously be mitigated by both sides already
agreeing stuff like flights being allowed between uk and eu and a series of other small agreements will allow a total shutdown to be avoided. not all eu companies will up sticks, but some will, and our government show no signs of any idea to replace these losses bar a race to replicate low tax for their mates, ...but even then mr dyson has decided he is better off in singapore, that doesnt look a panacea |
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stella creasy just nailed it for me on daily politics ,the future agreement means completely different things depending on whether for example its been acted upon by say for example phillip Hammond or boris johson, th same agreement could mean us tied very close to the EU or Singapore on thames
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Leave on the 29 March, but carry on trading on the same terms as we do now, while we work out a trade agreement with the EU which is beneficial to both sides.
That is perfectly feasible. |
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i wonder why may hasnt thought of it ?
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Wasn't she in Parliament when it was discussed?
What makes you think she didn't already know? |
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its basis of her leaving framework, is it not?
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the outcome for some important things may alter of course,
but its not that far away |
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remove backstop and theres not much left to argue over
except of course the actual negotiations of the free trade deal, which is where i expect the real fun to start. two years is wildly optimistic, imo,...maybe 5 ?? |
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Leave the EU on the 29 March without a deal and fall back on Article 24. Then negotiate a trade deal from that position.
Remember that Theresa May is a remainer along with Philip Hammond, which could explain a lot and answer a good many other questions about why this Brexit was steered into such a mess. |
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It is funny how various eu (no movement on this) representatives are changing their minds.
How leaders are making different noises now. Cracks showing. German manufacturers getting very twitchy ho ho ho the french cheese and wine makers are reaching for their yellow jackets. imagine french ports refusing them access etc!!!??? ho ho at least we won't have anymore french markets here!!! BUT WHERE WILL I GET THAT DELICIOUS HUGE FRENCH GARLIC FROM??  I can get my runner beans and peas from kenya and courgettes from nigeria though. These may have to come by dc3 under the radar as part of the 'Berlin' type Britain airlift |
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THATS WHAT the backstops for, in case theres no trade deal boris is made tory leader and decides sending chimney sweeps un chimmneys and lowering corporation tax to 10%, abolishing workers rights and absolving employers of health and safety regimes,red tape etc are good idea,s,
the same reason your average labour mp,s wont trust who,s ever leading the tories during trade talks |
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we have solved the bolly disaster with rubber boats so that's ok
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as they push the lemmings to the edge of the cliffs of dover will they get a soft landing with all these rubber boats hauled up on the shore??
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itsc why mrsmay,s talks are pointless ,worthless she wont be in charge in 2years time
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donny it isnt a series of mini deals, it is actually the eu making unilateral decisions and saying take it or leave it with no negotiation (as they did in december).
crippen, article xxiv of the gatt can only be invoked by parties that are in the process of making a deal, if they have a framework for an agreement and if both parties agree. you need to have an interim agreement and a plan and schedule for the formation of such a customs union / free trade area within a reasonable length of time. other countries have some powers to intrude if they dont like the schedule/plan. we will be leaving without a deal so it is irrelevant. this is just another trope from the erg lunatics, it has been knocked down by the eu's deputy chief negotiator, former negotiators, current negotiators, trade lawyers, law professionals and our own pm. ''In the event of No Deal, there is a strong case to maintain preferential tariff and quota rates at zero between the UK and the EU for a limited period – thought to be around two years.'' - that would involve breaking wto most favoured nation rules (article i of the gatt) and would make us a pariah and see us at the wto courts for sure. |
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yes jolly
i was referring to what is already done if we have a no deal, along with what has been mooted, that will avoid a shutdown |
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no , it would be the EU who is breaking WTO rules as well as Britain , that’s if it is breaking wto rules at all
In any event either it is possible for Britain and the EU to have a free trade deal or it isn’t |
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It’s like this , in the event if no deal nothing changes , the same trading arrangements ie free trade will be in place between the EU and Britain until they change
Trade between the EU and other countries will not change And trade between Britain and other countries will not change Until new trading arrangements are agreed Other countries will do nothing |
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If the EU wish to unilaterally enforce tariffs that’s ok , so does Britain
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are those real facts lfc or are they not strictly true in the sense of being untrue but are nonetheless true?
 lfc have you offered your services to her majesty's government? i really think you should. anything's possible, i read it somewhere. |
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jollyswagman I can assure you that no other country in the world will worry , why ?
Because under no deal nothing changes It stays exactly the same , until new trade deals are agreed |
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I see they may have to start printing euros - not looking good with the nice kind european family
They also appear to be falling out with one another. I wonder what the german taxpayer is thinking about this. If they don't get our yearly contribution I think there may be even more cracks. Germany economy creaking a tad I hear. Don't think that is good news for the UK as we still have financial committments to the rest of europe. They could still pull us down with them. |
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Now if Britain theorectically is breaking wto rules then so is the EU
Of course |
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So as I say, either it is possible for the EU andBritain to do a free trade deal or it isn’t
Which is it ? |
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I don’t mind either way. ,I’m against free trade
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Five posts of knight’s move thinking in a row. It’s like the musings of a third rate post pranks all philosopher on a subject he vaguely heard about but has no knowledge of. I did really like “under no deal nothing will change” though.
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Post prandial, not post pranks all, damn it. Bloody autocorrect.
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you lot just don't want us to leave - mouthpieces of the brussels mafia
it's all going wrong the cracks are showing germany panicking got to print more euros too as that is going to sh!T tax payers in herr merkel's country are grumbling ho ho ho they are fighting amongst themselvess - welcome to the family haooaoaoaao |
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You keep parroting all the arguments as to why a deal with the EU would be the easiest deal ever, moi. No doubt you’ve believed them all along and are convinced that the the EU is just above to cave in, despite it not having remotely done so at any point up until now.
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FS the EU and the UK are in exactly the same position.
Whatever happens in respect of a No Deal impacts on us all. Yet you seem to see this as a disaster for the UK but not the EU. Why? |