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By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 14 Oct 12 22:51
LaughI believe Davy is salt of the earthCool
By:
workrider
When: 15 Oct 12 17:34
a nice winner  ruby....nina looked terrible there , all over the place , lost control of her mount halfway up the straight....not her finest moment ....
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 15 Oct 12 19:44
That was fantastic 7/2Laugh. Really on a smashing run at the moment mainly non racing bets but that win will and rivage Dor coming back e/w well cover the losses on Benevolent easily and then quite a sum.

Chuffed....1-2 for Giggy
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 15 Oct 12 20:00
Ruby do u only back giggy horses?
Extrodinary way to be punting if u back horses out of adoration.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 15 Oct 12 20:02
No I do not but I will be focusing now on there horses for this year. Feel I have a good angle with them and much easier to read for me than others.

I will have no more than 4 bets a month on the 4 legs but I am already lining up my Sir Des Champs wager for the Gold Cup. Just wondering when is the right time to strike.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 15 Oct 12 20:03
and while it is a bit niche it takes hours and hours of research and trying to get any angle I can. Re-watching races etc and always looking to the future.

No easy method in this game
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 15 Oct 12 20:04
Ah good stuff,didn't mean to come across as a smart arsé there,just thought u only bet giggy horses,
Great thread though,enjoy reading it.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 15 Oct 12 20:06
Its the only NH operation I care to interest bar say the Ricci's who have been fairly easy to follow(follow the market, his friends are serious punters*Barclays* as is his family) but lately its been very tough
By:
limerick
When: 15 Oct 12 20:52
it's a great thread ruby.i see trifolium is entered up at punchestown on thurs in a hurdle race.can ya see him developing into a champion hurdle horse.ran a blinder at Cheltenham last yr.bit disappointing getting beat at punchestown after but I'm sure Davy would have held on longer if he could ride that Race again.giggy prefer their chasers so do ya reckon they'll keep this fella back for hurdles
By:
limerick
When: 15 Oct 12 20:52
it's a great thread ruby.i see trifolium is entered up at punchestown on thurs in a hurdle race.can ya see him developing into a champion hurdle horse.ran a blinder at Cheltenham last yr.bit disappointing getting beat at punchestown after but I'm sure Davy would have held on longer if he could ride that Race again.giggy prefer their chasers so do ya reckon they'll keep this fella back for hurdles
By:
Shotgun Willy
When: 15 Oct 12 20:59
One of the best threads on this forum, Ruby in fairness you put in plenty work at it
By:
kingrat
When: 15 Oct 12 21:00
outstanding work ruby..
By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 12 17:57
unusually no runner  for them in the bumper tomorrow ..i suppose the fact its a mares only , they have very little , if any , mares in training ..i'm a little taken aback that such a massive organisation doesn't race and then breed from their own mares ..seems a shame which mr oleary needs to address imo....
By:
GANT007
When: 16 Oct 12 18:49
Too long to wait for NH horses and at his level he can afford the cream ready made at 3 or 4.
I have seen lads turn to drink after their good nh mare threw a filly foal.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 16 Oct 12 19:22
Yeah Michael O Leary has simply no interest in Breeding and it would be a complete and utter farce for him to engage in it tbh. Look at McManus and his home breds most end up in the glue factory because the people advising him have no idea what they are doing.


4 runners in the beginners chase is a bit stupid IMO, but sure look they know what they are doing. Sword of Destiny is the choosen one and obvious the one that is expected to win. I expect him to run a very good race. Panther Claw is the next most interesting and he should hopefully show his ability being related to Empire of Dirt for the same owners under the Colm Murphy cares. Carry Each Other and Sweeney Tunes also are running and both are point winners which shows the level of depth they have in this particular race. Personally I hope they pull out 1 or even 2 in the morning and would not be surprised if they do especially Panther Claw. But look we can't complain 4 very interesting recruits over the big sticks.


UPDATE

Sea of Thunder entered up for the Chelts on Saturday....Happy





NEW HORSES

Urmat D'Oudairies

4yr old from France for Charles Byrnes, I wonder is this fella related to the Elliott horse of the same last name.


Shattered Dream

78000 euro's 4 year old for Gordon Elliott

Road to Riches

155k sale who fell on his first point but won his second by 8l. Trained by Noel Meade 5 year old
By:
GANT007
When: 16 Oct 12 19:31
I know you have a gigginstown tattoo but that piece about McManus is just crap talk.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 16 Oct 12 19:33
Okay prove me wrong?
By:
GANT007
When: 16 Oct 12 19:44
Does McManus breed many?.
Breeding aint an exact science especially NH horses.........very easy to get it wrong.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 16 Oct 12 19:52
McManus does breed, I don't know how many but he has plenty of expensive mares that have done nothing. Gant a perfectly take your point.

But look at him at the sales, its laughable he has barely any Grade 1 horses for a man that spends Millions literally 10s of million and has barely any top class horses bar Istrabraq and a few cross country horses and obviously a grand national but he and his advisors are completely inept. But do they care because half there horses never on there merits and they gamble big time so there is his joy from the game. THat is what he gets out of it beating the bookies.

MOL have a far far superior operation and I guarntee the differences between the 2 will be so obvious come the end of the year.
By:
GANT007
When: 16 Oct 12 19:58
I agree JP buys to win at cheltenham.
MO'L has other motives and will instruct his trainers to get every ounce out of a horse........he probably gets the same kick out of it as his brother.

Both lose a fortune year in year out.
By:
dj876
When: 16 Oct 12 19:59
2 Different operations u could never find,Neither will ever show profit on the books(but the untouchables make it pay).
Aren't both operations not running under companies that are showing losses and used as tax write offs against profitable companies??
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 16 Oct 12 20:02
Any mare JP has is well bred and they are all sent to Coolmore stallions so you can't do much more than that.

I'd imagine Gigginstown have generally stayed away from mares because they target chasing types when buying horses. Even good mares are often of a handy disposition and wouldn't stand out at the sales. Nearly all the best chasing mares in recent years have had almost equal strength and scope to their male counterparts (e.g. Knockfierna, Cailin Alainn and For Bill). With the amount of prizemoney up for grabs for mares these days and a dearth in competition I wouldn't be surprised if they dipped their toes with one or two in the near future. Looking at some of the new additions to the team this year they are trying to widen their options.

Sea of Thunder is a lump job if he runs on Saturday.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 16 Oct 12 20:03
HappyLaugh

Lump joy Allduck you not worried about his jumping?

You have any news on any of horses I mentioned above obviously the 2 from the points. Cheers
By:
GANT007
When: 16 Oct 12 20:03
Correct dj876.......Mo'L aint no fool.
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 16 Oct 12 20:16
Why would you be worried about his jumping? He was top class bar the one mistake. He'll be better again on a more galloping track and he has already shown form at Cheltenham. He will win.

I missed you asking me about Elliots that won the bumper yesterday. To be honest I was surprised he was able to beat Meades though the latter will improve. Good start to his career all the same.

Road To Riches arrives in Tu Va from Meades good friend Martin Cullinane. Previous horses to make the trip across the country include Go Native, Ipsos Du Berlais and He's A Delight. I don't know much about Road To Riches though and despite winning impressively it was a poor maiden and he has a long way to got to justify the price tag. Being a son of Gamut wouldn't be an endearing quality either.
By:
Shotgun Willy
When: 16 Oct 12 20:25
That is a serious novice chase tomorrow
By:
Tolmi
When: 16 Oct 12 20:27
Unless I'm very much mistaken the cost of buying/training racehorses cannot be offset against other taxable income.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 16 Oct 12 20:32
I thought he was very sticky and yes while I would agree he will be better, i be worried that he will stand up around there especially after than mess last year after than just run. Hopefully he will revenge last years defeat.

Yes Tolmi I am pretty sure that is correct
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 17 Oct 12 19:55
Few interesting runner tomorrow.

I will be having a nice wad on Rule The World

Rye Martini new horse for Colm Murphy
By:
punchestown
When: 18 Oct 12 14:55
Rule The World looked great there though the opposition were no world beaters,how do you think it will handle quicker ground?
By:
GANT007
When: 18 Oct 12 15:30
Trifolium not off a yard........connections knew.
By:
sinndar001
When: 18 Oct 12 15:36
Trifolium had no cheekpieces on there so can be excused a below par effort. He was beaten by a horse who has been transformed by cheekpieces. Trifolium is not gonna winning anything great anyway.
By:
limerick
When: 18 Oct 12 15:47
what about sea of thunder for trifoliums connections tomorrow at Cheltenham?have to say I fancy him big style.nicholls horse jumped well da last day but don't think he beat much.ground, trip should suit sea of thunder.lump on job?
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 18 Oct 12 18:07
Trifolium is the latest example of CB talking up a horse prior to a run only to disappoint. It's when he's knocking one of his own horses that you take note.

As already stated Sea of Thunder will win tomoro.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 18 Oct 12 20:48
Nothing better coming home from a day in work to have a wad of cash trebledLove RULE THE WORLD looks every inch a potential top class horse, he powered in that mud today, very impressive.

Delighted with that and was baffled when i backed him at 9/4 this morning how big he was, it was such a poor race. Even Roi Du Mee won a great day for the team.

Trifolium for me should be over fences, he is a Grade 2 horse over hurdles. I forgive him that he be grand.

I leave Carlito and Sea of Thunder tomorrow and let them win or lose there races at there respective prices no interest betting wise but plenty otherwise.
By:
kingrat
When: 18 Oct 12 21:09
Cool
By:
workrider
When: 18 Oct 12 22:25
i backed both their winners today ruby , backed roi du mee @ 7/1 with mulvaneys and backed it @ 2/1 w/o joncol...i backed rule the world @ 15/8 with trackbookmakers ...so had a fine day...rule the world got very warm , but won really well and should be one to follow while te ground is like it is ....backed roi de mee siply because he looked really well in the paddock and the run at gowran had really brought him on...carberry got him jumping well and he enjoyed himself out in front .... i'd say this fellow is best caught fresh ....
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 19 Oct 12 21:08
Glad I kept my money with Sea of Thunder, just my gut felt he would not win. Carlito Brigante did very well to win and he should win plenty at his level.

Tofino Bay
Urmat D'Oudairies
Torn Asunder
Troubled
Shattered Dream
Road To Riches


They all run this weekend, Plenty of really solid chances to win. I will be going to Naas on Sunday and putting a good wad on Road to Riches
By:
DeargDubh
When: 20 Oct 12 17:23
Ruby, I see His Excellency won for David Pipe in Cheltenham today. Any idea why he was sold on ?
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 20 Oct 12 17:49
Because he is a rogue.

No I think the better ground helped but I can assure you most people would have sold him. A rogue pure and simple.

Pipey is fantastic with cast off's it must be said.
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