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The Gigginstown Thread 2012/2013
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Gigginstown have constantly improved year after year.
Are you serious? maybe in terms of winners but not in quality. I thought this year was regressive. |
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When was the last time they had a true Gold Cup horse like Sir Des Champs. War of Attrition all those years ago.
I not saying they are perfect, far from it. But they are at least moving forward every year. Just need to cut out the flat horses. |
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Gigginstown have a lot of decent horses but are also in danger of falling into the McManus trap i.e. having a lot of deadwood. Should head for the sales and offload some of it . They had 7 runners in the handicap won by The Papperazzi Kid yesterday.
I am convinced that circumstances conpired to cost them the Gold Cup this year. If Davy Russell was riding Sir De Champs ive little doubt he would have won. |
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Gigginstown have some smashing young horses and can only get stronger.
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"If Davy Russell was riding Sir De Champs ive little doubt he would have won"
That's quite a statement,I thought Bob's Worth was a clear and decisive winner. I thought the ground had a bigger impact than the jockeys but not sure SDC will ever reverse placings. |
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Bobsworth won seven lengths going away SDC fell over the line. If SDC had to run another furlong up the same slope he would have been pulled up. Nothing any jockey could have done. As much as I would like to see it happen it will be difficult for SDC to turn the tables at Cheltenham unless he improves considerably. Bobsworth was unconvincing in the middle part of the Hennessy also but the further they went the better he got.
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I still think First Lieutenant is a better horse than Sir Des Champs. The mistake at the 3rd last cost him the race. I hope they run FL in the Gold Cup next year.
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Would not yet be convinced that FL is better than SDC but I would accept that perhaps he could be. It is correct to say that very few horses could have won having made a mistake like that at such a crucial stage of a race like the Ryanair.
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FL just isn't good enough to win a Gold Cup.
He is just a rung below what is required. Sir Des Champs however is and will beat FL every single time they meet! |
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First Lieutenant is a better horse than Sir Des Champs. His mistake at the 3rd last at Punchestown cost him the race. Mouse Morris had him cherry ripe for the Gold Cup but he was inexplicably sent to the Ryanair Chase. First Lieutenant has already beaten Sir Des Champs so I dont know what you are on. Lets see who will be right next year.
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First Lieutenant was outstayed in the RSA by Bobs Worth over 3m(on good ground),outstayed in the lexus over 3m.
It's not possible for FL to win a gold cup,SDC is a possibility.(hard to see past Bobs Worth in current form-Trip/course ideal) I wouldn't say FL would never beat SDC (EG.John Durkan over 2m 4f or an easy 3m-Aintree)but he will never beat him in a gold cup over 3m 2f at Cheltenham -FL would be gasping for oxygen coming up the hill over 3m 2f in the gold cup. |
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I always thought the RSA was over a trip of 3 miles 110 yards. He wasnt fully wound up for the Lexus and he is Irelands best chance of winning a Gold Cup next year. Ask Mouse Morris.
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 How many yards are in a furlong??It's called rounding-I always thought the Gold Cup was over a trip of 3m 2f and 110 YARDS |
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No way over 3 miles in a Grade 1 will First Lieutenant ever beat Sir Des Champs. Put in his place at Punchestown even when Sir Des Champs had a gruelling Gold Cup to get over and also far from ideal ground conditions.
Mouse Morris thinks he is a gold cup Horse so do i too but he Sir Des Champs is better  In regards to beating him a head at Leapardstown last Xmas in Lexus...you are joking right .Next year will reveal all |
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Eddie O Leary is finally listening to me. He gives a horse to Henry and he win 100% STRIKE RATE
Another winner for Mullins last night. Lets hope now they don't lose him in the field and keep he going over the summer. |
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ruby u need to make a new giggy thread for the new season
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