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By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 11:41
Where's it running?Wink
By:
happysandwich
When: 16 Nov 20 11:51


ericster
16 Nov 20 09:58
Joined: 10 Mar 02
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    Nov 15, 2020 -- 9:49PM, the_dak wrote:


    I've just been through your first sheet and spotted an interesting pattern( I know this is a laying thread but this could be a good backing system) I looked at the form of all the horses that won a handicap for the first time and then went on to run in a handicap again.................No Regrets



Thought you Knew?
Grin
By:
happysandwich
When: 16 Nov 20 16:35
That’s another worst case scenario today with back to back winners.

Especially after starting in a good mood this morning singing along with Edith at the top of our voices.Laugh

    WEEK 5                                                           
            Horse Name        Position        Odds        BFSP        Lost        Won           
    Sunday 15th Nov                                                           
    Punchestown 1:05        Buildmeupbuttercup        1st        3/1        4.42                        No Bet   
    Punchestown 1:05        Daylight Katie        5th        9/1        12.60                        No Bet   
    Fontwell 12:25  (Novice H.)        Lord Accord        UR        13/8        2.77                £10.00           
    Cheltenham 2:25        Put The Kettle On        1st        7/4        2.73        £17.30                   
    Cheltenham 4:05        Weseekhimhere        3rd        10/11        2.01                £10.00           
                                                               
    Monday 16th Nov                                                           
    Leicester 1:00        Breffniboy        1st        15/8        3.08        £20.80                   
    Dundalk 3:45        Saltonstall        1st        9/4        3.75        £27.50                   
                                                               
    Tuesday 17th Nov                                                           
    Southwell 12:20        Ustath                                                   
    Southwell 3:50        Pearl Of Qatar                                                   
    Fakenham 2:03        Limited reserve                                                   
    Lingfield 1:41        Ruby ****                                                   
    Newcastle 7:45        Burrows  Seeside                                                   
                                                               
    Wednesday 18th Nov                                                           
    Ffos Las 1:05        Robin Of Sherwood                                                   
    Hexham 2:30        McGinty's Dream                                                   
    Kempton 6:55        Johan                Totals                 £65.60        £20.00           
                                                               
                            Losing bets                 3                   
                            Winning bets                2                   
                            No Bets                2                   
By:
happysandwich
When: 16 Nov 20 16:52
Apparently Ruby **** is a naughty word.

New one on me.
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:22
Should have known better with breffniboy, that's three wins in seven days, striking while the iron is hot. I think he just about found his mark today though, we shall see.
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:22

Nov 16, 2020 -- 11:51AM, happysandwich wrote:


ericster16 Nov 20 09:58Joined: 10 Mar 02| Topic/replies: 2,928 | Blogger: ericster's blog

By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:23
hapsan, what IS that all about?
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:23
ericster's blogConfused
By:
stridingedge
When: 16 Nov 20 17:27
I'll probably be laying with real cash next time Ericster will post bet on here Wink
By:
stridingedge
When: 16 Nov 20 17:28
I don't mind putting my hands up getting one wrong but I still hoild the opinion more of a slog on proper soft ground would have done for it today.
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:37
That was the only reason I layed it. I've never been a race-goer but I've been to leics, that's quite a run-in, and in the mud , well. Having said that, exeter is supposed to be pretty testing. And having said that, he probably IS ,or was, ahead of the handicapper.

Just have to chalk that one mate.
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 17:40
Note to self: When re-appearing after a win as quickly as that one did, leave well alone. Having said that, I thought there were a couple in there running for me and they gave him a proper race today.
Living and learning, I hope.
By:
the_dak
When: 16 Nov 20 17:50
happysandwich out of the three you posted on my latest back system  of (first life time win in a handicap )                                                                                                                                 
      Midnight Glance    14:50 Plumpton    (won 15-8)    Handicap Hurdle,    Handicap Hurdle was a selection                                                                                            
    Court Duty   won way back 04/07/2018 followed by a 10th place                                                                                                                                     
   cyclop won its first one 26/12/14 then PU

the other horse I would class as a qualifier today also won Rose Of Aghaboe    13:30 Leicester    (won 11-4)     Handicap Chase    Handicap Hurdle ( i actually like hurdle winners that go chasing   ...................three qualifiers for the future (THAT WON THEIR FIRST HANDICAP TODAY) are :
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avoid De Master    16/11/2020    15:30 Leicester        Handicap Hurdle
Invincible Cave    16/11/2020    15:50 Plumpton        Handicap Hurdle
Doctor Nuno    16/11/2020    14:10 Wolverhampton        Handicap..................im not including Devious Dicks Dame    16/11/2020    13:50 Plumpton        Selling Handicap Hurdle do to it being a seller
By:
the_dak
When: 16 Nov 20 18:29
Tuesday 17 November 2020    12:33 Fakenham    Mount Windsor
Tuesday 17 November 2020    14:20 Southwell    Lexi The One
Tuesday 17 November 2020    15:40 Newcastle    Eagle's Foot
Tuesday 17 November 2020    18:45 Newcastle    Continental
       
Tuesday 17 November 2020    15:50 Southwell    Tom Tulliver  Going to dutch these
Tuesday 17 November 2020    15:50 Southwell    God Of Dreams
       
Tuesday 17 November 2020    17:45 Newcastle    Stealing Silk   Going to dutch these
Tuesday 17 November 2020    17:45 Newcastle    Broctune Red.....................i'm not including Irish racing or nusery handicps
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 18:31
dak, maybe I over-think things sometimes but perhaps trainers aim to get their first time h/cap winners low enough in the ratings to tolerate a penalty. This thread is becoming quite a challenge. I applaud you all.
By:
happysandwich
When: 16 Nov 20 19:01
Ericster,

You mentioned the horse No Regrets so at 16 Nov 20 12:17 we all had a little bit of KARAOKE.

Didn’t you join in and sing-a-long?

The-dak,

That’s much clearer I can copy them into Excel easier and keep a record.
I’ll leave it to you to make the selections they’re a little confusing for me.

Ericster,

I’m finding it a bit of a challenge keeping up with it all too.
Taking up too much of my time.
Time to relax.Grin

    Handicap Win LTO                                                   
            Horse Name        Finish        Odds        BFSP        Lost        Won   
    Monday 16th Nov                                                   
    Plumpton 2:20        Court Duty        NR                                   
    Plumpton 2:50        Midnight Glance        1st        15/8        3.00                £20.00   
    Plumpton 3:20        Cyclop        NR                                   
    Leicester 1:30        Rose Of Aghaboe        1st        11/4        3.95                £29.50   
                                                       
    Tuesday 17th Nov                                                   
    Fakenham 12:33        Mount Windsor                                           
    Southwell 2:20        Lexi The One                                           
    Newcastle 3:40        Eagles Foot                                           
    Newcastle 6:45        Continental                                           
    Southwell 3:50        Tom Tulliver                                           
    Southwell 3:50        God Of Dreams                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Stealing Silk                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Broctune Red                                           
                                                       
                                                       
    Wednesday 18th Nov                                                   
    Ffos Las 1:05        Vitalline                                           
    Kempton4:25        Lamanver Bel Ami                                           
                                                       
                                    Totals        £0.00        £49.50   
                                                       
                            Losers        0                   
                            Winners        2                   
                                                       
                                                       
            Invincible Cave                                           
            Doctor Nuno                                           
By:
the_dak
When: 16 Nov 20 19:08
Wednesday 18 November 2020    12:55 Warwick    Arian
Wednesday 18 November 2023    13:20 Hexham    Discko Des Plages
       
Wednesday 18 November 2021    13:05 Ffos Las    Little Red Lion
Wednesday 18 November 2022    13:05 Ffos Las    Lamanver Bel Ami
       
Wednesday 18 November 2024    15:40 Hexham    Wind Of Hope
Wednesday 18 November 2025    15:40 Hexham    Kilcaragh Boy
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 19:15
What the hell? I got nothing better to do but we/you guys seem to be crossing wires here. I sure would like to make something out of this but I'm very close to overload here, so much information.
By:
the_dak
When: 16 Nov 20 19:20
Tuesday 17 November 2020    17:15 Newcastle    Tapeten Toni     Nursery
Tuesday 17 November 2020    17:15 Newcastle    Elland Road Boy    Nursery
           
Wednesday 18 November 2020    16:25 Kempton    Vitalline    Nursery  ..............i'm not sure about 2 year old nursery handicaps to me there could be many fast improvers at that age.
By:
happysandwich
When: 16 Nov 20 19:21
    Handicap Win LTO                                                   
            Horse Name        Finish        Odds        BFSP        Lost        Won   
    Monday 16th Nov                                                   
    Plumpton 2:20        Court Duty        NR                                   
    Plumpton 2:50        Midnight Glance        1st        15/8        3.00                £20.00   
    Plumpton 3:20        Cyclop        NR                                   
    Leicester 1:30        Rose Of Aghaboe        1st        11/4        3.95                £29.50   
                                                       
    Tuesday 17th Nov                                                   
    Fakenham 12:33        Mount Windsor                                           
    Southwell 2:20        Lexi The One                                           
    Newcastle 3:40        Eagles Foot                                           
    Newcastle 6:45        Continental                                           
    Southwell 3:50        Tom Tulliver                                           
    Southwell 3:50        God Of Dreams                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Stealing Silk                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Broctune Red                                           
                                                       
    Wednesday 18th Nov                                                   
    Ffos Las 1:05        Vitalline                                           
    Kempton4:25        Lamanver Bel Ami                                           
    12:55 Warwick        Arian                                           
    13:20 Hexham        Discko Des Plages                                           
    13:05 Ffos Las        Little Red Lion                                           
    13:05 Ffos Las        Lamanver Bel Ami                                           
    5:40 Hexham         Wind Of Hope                                           
    5:40 Hexham         Kilcaragh Boy                                           
                                                       
            Invincible Cave                        Totals        £0.00        £49.50   
            Doctor Nuno                                           
                            Losers        0                   
                            Winners        2                   
By:
the_dak
When: 16 Nov 20 19:23
sorry i think a new thread should have been started ...but at least on this one my find is hidden.
By:
Lucky Sod
When: 16 Nov 20 19:41
An interesting thread on last time out winners that's been going since 2004       https://forum.punterslounge.com/topic/3-quick-system/
By:
stridingedge
When: 16 Nov 20 20:46
I'd stay well clear of Ustath tomorrow.
By:
ericster
When: 16 Nov 20 20:54
I don't do flat and I don't do beach-racing but thanks anyway.
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 09:41
Okay, here we go, me talking horlicks again, Fakenham:

12:33,  Mount Windsor, a fav in a novice but I'm particularly interested in this one because of the quick re-appearance. Have I read your post correctly hapsan?
Course ought to be okay.. Going hopefully not too much of a worry and with a claimer up, a winner without a pen. Well that's the theory.

1:03,   Gleno, won it's first h'cap chase last time out. Not first h'cap,  won h'cap hdls in 2019. Have I read you correctly dak?
Course and going ought to be okay, Rumble B  gets a 3lb pull for 2lengths but if Gleno gets his own way, they'll have to run him down.

Well:  That's my two penn'orth.
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 12:03
Scrub Gleno, could go close.

Just a small one on MW for reasons mentioned.
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 Nov 20 12:26
Was right about Ustath at Suvvers you have to add some form dimension to this or it's just a roulette depending how long you are doing it for.

We know it doesn't work blind so it's the only option.
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 12:32
Yep, agreed. M W won easily by 6L last time out. Turns out again after seven days with a claimer up. No that doesn't make it a cert and yes it's short odds but it's a bit of interest and in  with a chance.
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 12:38
Easy to say now but it did look that good.
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 Nov 20 12:43
Wd Eric
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 12:44
Thanks, Pennies in the pot striding, that's me done for the day.
By:
The Management
When: 17 Nov 20 13:02
Well done Eric! (Mount Windsor)

I think well done The_Dak too?? - not 100% sure (I'm very easily confused as there is too much going on in this thread now imo - nerver 100% sure who is backing and who is laying!! Confused) but I'm pretty sure that was a back for The_Dak.
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 13:15
Yes, I think so.

Management,  there are some very logical observations and [not unreasonable] assumptions being made here.
There IS a lot going in this thread, I'm struggling to keep track of it all and I'm cherry-picking, can't deny it.
M W wasn't just a horse that won it's first h'cap last time out, it's all there in the above comments.
I'm not looking to bet regularly, just two or three a week would suffice if I could just minimize the losers. Lol! The grail.
And, if I can make something of this, I'll be happy to put my picks up in here and the others can decide for themselves. It's the least I can do.
Could all go down the toilet of course.
We shall see eh?Plain
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 13:18
And Gleno, that's two for dak I think.

Nice one dak.Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 Nov 20 13:19
The only comments I am making are regarding whether the selections for the hat trick are looking good prospects to lay.

As mentioned the one at suvvers earlier definitely looked to have no negs about it.

Suvvers horses proven at the track with back class and running well beneath their past ceiling in good recent form must be very dangerous to lay just because they have won 2 on the bounce!
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 13:22
Striding anything I do now has got to be a standout, for me anyway.
Not just backing or laying blind here.
All the above tables etc. are merely a starting point.
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 Nov 20 13:24
Yes I se you are taking the individual into account Eric got to be done.
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 Nov 20 13:27
At least the Newcastle one in the 7:45 for the hat trick has a different trip to run over a furlong further, class wise on the average rating of the field it looks pretty weak race though. Probably the best hope is it not staying than something else being better treated.
By:
happysandwich
When: 17 Nov 20 14:45
the_dak
16 Nov 20 18:50
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happysandwich out of the three you posted on my latest back system  of (first life time win in a handicap )                                                                                                                                 
      Midnight Glance    14:50 Plumpton    (won 15-8)    Handicap Hurdle,    Handicap Hurdle was a selection                                                                                           
    Court Duty   won way back 04/07/2018 followed by a 10th place                                                                                                                                     
   cyclop won its first one 26/12/14 then PU

the other horse I would class as a qualifier today also won Rose Of Aghaboe    13:30 Leicester    (won 11-4)     Handicap Chase    Handicap Hurdle ( i actually like hurdle winners that go chasing   ...................three qualifiers for the future (THAT WON THEIR FIRST HANDICAP TODAY) are :
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avoid De Master    16/11/2020    15:30 Leicester        Handicap Hurdle
Invincible Cave    16/11/2020    15:50 Plumpton        Handicap Hurdle
Doctor Nuno    16/11/2020    14:10 Wolverhampton        Handicap..................im not including Devious Dicks Dame    16/11/2020    13:50 Plumpton        Selling Handicap Hurdle do to it being a seller

^^^^
This is what is confusing me. Posted after racing yesterday at 18:50
And not on any of my Handicap Win LTO sheets above.

Avoid De Master   1st 11/8
Invincible Cave   1st 7/2
Doctor Nuno   1st 2/1
Dicks Dame   1st 28/1 and these were the prices of it’s last 10 runs

300/1, 66/1, 150/1, 66/1, 100/1, 150/1, 100/1, 55/1, 66/1, 100/1

ericster,

And Gleno, that's two for dak I think.
Nice one dak.


Where did dak mention Gleno?

Dak,

If you are reading this I am not doubting you for one moment but punters are maybe following your selections, and mine, with real cash.
I’m posting your Handicap Win LTO sheet up now just so you can check it.
Is it correct for today and Wednesday?
Let me know in time, if there’s any more to put in or take out.

Thanks.

    Handicap Win LTO        £10 Win Stake                                           
            Horse Name        Finish        Odds        BFSP        Lost        Won   
    Monday 16th Nov                                                   
    Plumpton 2:20        Court Duty        NR                                   
    Plumpton 2:50        Midnight Glance        1st        15/8        3.00                £20.00   
    Plumpton 3:20        Cyclop        NR                                   
    Leicester 1:30        Rose Of Aghaboe        1st        11/4        3.95                £29.50   
                                                       
    Tuesday 17th Nov                                                   
    Fakenham 12:33        Mount Windsor        1st        5/6        1.87                £8.70   
    Southwell 2:20        Lexi The One        1st        7/4                        £17.50   
    Newcastle 3:40        Eagles Foot                                           
    Newcastle 6:45        Continental                                           
    Southwell 3:50        Tom Tulliver                                           
    Southwell 3:50        God Of Dreams                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Stealing Silk                                           
    Newcastle 5:45        Broctune Red                                           
    Newcastle 17:15         Tapeten Toni                                            
    Newcastle 17:15         Elland Road Boy                                           
                                                       
                                                       
    Wednesday 18th Nov                                                   
    Ffos Las 1:05        Vitalline                                           
    Kempton4:25        Lamanver Bel Ami                                           
    12:55 Warwick        Arian                                           
    13:20 Hexham        Discko Des Plages                                           
    13:05 Ffos Las        Little Red Lion                                           
    13:05 Ffos Las        Lamanver Bel Ami                                           
    5:40 Hexham         Wind Of Hope                                           
    5:40 Hexham         Kilcaragh Boy                                           
    16:25 Kempton        Vitalline                                           
                                                       
                                    Totals        £0.00        £75.70   
                                                       
                            Losers        0                   
                            Winners        4                   
By:
ericster
When: 17 Nov 20 14:49
hapsan, I don't know that dak DID mention Gleno, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Gleno won his first handicap last time out. Oh dear, this is all very confusing.
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