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Pushing horses out is wrong?
Perhaps you should find another hobby. |
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Thought it was pulling em that was wrong.
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That was gutting end to a horse who,d never give up. Bit like the movie "the champ" RIP
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We don't know for sure what caused Many Clouds to collapse and die. It may have been a heart attack unrelated to his known problems.
But it seems very unfair to put a horse in a race when you know that at the end it might be struggling to breath and need oxygen. Lord Atterbury needed oxygen after he finished third in the Grand National. I think he needed oxygen previous to that, after running at Cheltenham. I think his dam had the same problem. They used to have the oxygen ready for Butler's Cabin too, as he had this problem. I imagine that not being able to get your breath is very frightening and like I said, it seems unfair, and against the welfare of a horse, to knowingly put it in this position (Although my main welfare concern when it comes to racehorses is what happens to them when they are retired. Even Hello Dandy ended up needing to be rescued) We have to console ourselves with the fact that Many Clouds died quickly and he would have been very well loved and cared for at home. He had a good 10 years. So sad that he has been denied a happy retirement. |
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Yes , I agree with that.
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Thank you.
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One of the most shocking case of neglect concerning a well known horse ( think we like to not even consider what happens to all the animals with no ability) involved Exceller, who ran in the Bunker-Hunt colours and won the Coronation Cup and was 3rd to The Minstrel in the King George before winning a string of top US races. Wiki sums up the events leading to his death:
In 1991, the syndicate was bought out by a breeder from Sweden and Exceller was shipped back across the Atlantic Ocean. He sired a few crops of foals, then was diagnosed with a mysterious infection that forced his removal from stud service for several years. When Exceller's owner went bankrupt, the horse was moved to a small farm where he remained for a year before owner Göte Östlund ordered him killed. He was taken to a slaughterhouse and killed for meat. Another will publicised case in involved Alec Stewarts Ebor winner Daarkom who was rescued in a dreadful state from a group of travellers. |
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All dreadful cases. Persian War was another hero to be abused.
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Perhaps I have missed them but I can not see any postings that make mention of Billy Bow who died in similar tragic circumstances.
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Poppydog. 28 Jan 17 18:19 Joined: 07 Sep 01 | Topic/replies: 15,202 | Blogger: Poppydog.'s blog
"I thought ITV handled it very well too. The after-the-line mic interviewer was kept out of it." That is utter bollox. No way was the interviewer kept out of it. If you actually watched the coverage you would have seen that Ollie Bell was there about to interview the jockey who was circling the horse around him. The only reason the cameras cut away from that shot was that the horse dropped dead in front of the interviewer. Instead of allowing the horse to recover ITV were straight in for the usual post race interview and what we got from them afterwards was the same old dumping down propaganda which makes dimwits like puppydog feel better. They're trying to increase racing's audience which means they have to convince a proportion of squeamish people that it's OK that racing kills horses. Far better to show the carcass being winched onto the knacker's van then we all know where we stand. Of course that wouldn't wash with the media types. |
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RIP many clouds.
Some of this 'brave, gallant, going out on his shield, will to win' stuff never really seems that genuine to me although you can see why people in racing cling to it. Many Clouds was a seriously good racehorse who had the ability to dig deep. The fact that he was trained (through fear) to get to the bottom of that ability has helped him to the top of the game and also killed him. Using the horses 'bravery' or 'gallantry' as a reason for his death is a bit of a cop out if you ask me. If you want to see a brave horse then have a look at Mad Moose.. Dont think he was given an overly aggressive ride - agree with the comments that he was just a bomb waiting to go off next time he was pushed in a battling finish and possibly should have been retired after the GN. |
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Presumably he had been thoroughly checked out by a qualified vet following his 'wobbling' episodes and was deemed fit to race on, and appeared to have no issues following his win at Aintree last time out.
I appreciate some you of you may have this utopic vision that Grand National winners should be retired to go and live in a field happily ever after, but provided they're physically sound why not carry on with them, particularly in this horse's case as he retained all of his ability? As for the 'risk' factor, well where do draw the line given every horse who competes over obstacles is at risk of falling and potentially losing its life, do you suggest doing away with jump racing? |
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The saddest day that I've been to the races. And I backed him as well. What a brave horse in that last furlong.
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Some "animal rights" person is threatening to get the police on to the BHA
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168724/BHA-WARNED-not-run-Clouds-big-races.html |
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The BHA's response to the death of Many Clouds:
'First and foremost our thoughts are with all of those who would have loved and cared for Many Clouds throughout his great career. 'It is too early to say with any certainty what happened to Many Clouds. The BHA will help coordinate a post-mortem in the coming days to ascertain the cause of the incident. 'The horse was cared for by Cheltenham's team of Vets within seconds of displaying any signs of distress. Sadly, it was not possible to save him. Incidents such as this are extremely rare. 'The symptoms exhibited by Many Clouds after his run in the Grand National are not uncommon in racehorses after exercise. It is linked to an increase in body temperature and can be treated by providing the horse with water. 'The BHA holds a list of all horses who exhibit these symptoms in order that they can be provided with water should they show the symptoms again. There is no existing veterinary evidence which links these symptoms with racehorse fatalities. 'Since the year 2000 over £32m has been invested by British racing into veterinary science and research, which benefits all breeds of horses in Britain, not just thoroughbreds. 'The sport is currently engaged in several pieces of research aimed at gaining a better understanding and finding ways to reduce the likelihood of sudden equine fatalities which are thankfully extremely rare. 'These include Levy Board-funded research with experts at the University of Nottingham looking at the development of cardiac assessment technology. 'The BHA has also recently completed a racecourse study with the support of trainers to collect information on horses' post-race heart rhythms. Sudden equine fatalities can occur at rest as well as during exercise, and among seemingly healthy horses. 'They affect all equestrian sports including racing, eventing and show-jumping. Many are caused by heart attacks or internal haemorrhage, but there also a significant proportion where a definitive cause cannot be identified. 'The levels of care that the 14,000 horses in training at any one time receive throughout their lives is virtually unsurpassed by any other domestic or domesticated animal. 'In exchange for this care they are asked to do what they are bred to do, which is race. There is a level of risk associated with this, as with any exercise involving horses. 'The BHA is open and transparent about this risk. In jump racing that level or risk is just 0.4 per cent, a figure which has decreased by around 1/3 in the last 20 years.' 'Animal Aid are not a registered welfare charity. Their stated aim is to ban all horseracing despite the catastrophic impact this would have on the thoroughbred as a breed. 'Their understanding of this incident is entirely without evidence and not based on recognised veterinary science. The BHA works with recognised welfare organisations such as the RSPCA and World Horse Welfare.' |
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The Daily Mail has been anti-jump racing for some time now which is a stance surely at odds with a so called patriotic Newspaper that is supposed to support established home traditions and customs. Damn sly of whoever on the staff is behind this.
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the horses are just the tools of the industry. absurd to suggest otherwise
where are the tears for all the useless yearlings and 2yos that go to the glue factory? |
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They shoot arses don't they?
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Not one mention of Going Concern today.
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It seems very odd to me that some folk on this thread are taking snipes at one another. Surely when something sad happens we should pull together. Thoughts go out to all connected with the animal.
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Correct, Ekbalco. Obviously the horse didn't have anything like the same public profile but it is sad for the connections of the horse.
Deaths of horses are a regular occurance and whilst no-one likes to see any horse injured those of us who watch horses, gamble on them, own them etc have to accept that it happens or find another hobby. I can't quite understand some of the vitriol being aimed at Sherwood and Hemmings. |
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Oliver Sherwood
3 mins · The BHA have released a statement with regard to the findings of the post mortem examination on Many Clouds, the full press release has been sent to the press association. The BHA can confirm that Many Clouds was found to have suffered from a cardiac failure, this was the cause of his death following the race. No underlying health issues were discovered in the autopsy. Many Clouds had worn a heart rate monitor, provided by "EquinITy Intelligent Training" in training on November 17th 2016. EquinITy has confirmed that the data showed that the horse had no abnormalities with his heart function prior to the race. While Many Clouds had shown symptoms of post race ataxia in the past, a syndrome characterised by loss of balance in walking following exercise, the horse had never collapsed before, the horse had shown no signs of post race ataxia or similar symptoms following the conclusion of the race on Saturday. Tony Welsh acting chief veterinary officer for the BHA added: "Post race ataxia and similar symptoms are linked to an increase in body temperature after exercise and can be treated by providing the horse with water. It is not uncommon in racehorses or other sport horses. Despite some reports following the incident, there is no existing veterinary evidence which links these symptoms with racehorse fatalities, and the post mortem results have categorically proved that the symptoms exhibited by Many Clouds in the past were in no way present or associated with his sad death at Cheltenham. The fatality rate within jump racing for horses suffering from cardiac failure is just 0.048% of runners. The overall fatality rate within British Racing has decreased by 1/3 in the last 20 years owing to the sports significant ongoing investment in equine health and welfare. "Sudden equine heart attacks such as these are rare. It has been known to happen to horses at rest as well as after exercise and can occur in horses which have no underlying health issues and amongst all disciplines of sport horses". |
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I thought this would be the outcome. Thank you for posting, The Dealer.
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its a shame that some are quick to jump on the attack before the full facts are known. i have no doubt that this will still not appease them though.
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Didn't think either Sherwood or Hemmings would have risked the horse without full vetinary clearance. Two of the good guys in the sport.
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The press release states Many Clouds suffered a severe pulmonary haemorrhage which caused his death. That is acute bleed from the lung upper respiratory tract and the trachea. They didn't postulate that aphyxia with resultant heart attack which might have increased pulmonary microvascular pressure was the cause. They state it was not linked to the post-race ataxia Many Clouds has suffered after some races in the past.
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there is some humble pie to be eaten now the news is out, the cause of death is clearly unrelated to the previous issues
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