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He's gone, He's inverted, and he's taking all his comments with him.
I feel like a right c00nt now. |
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The SNA debate and ride was a good one , enjoyable .
I personally thought SNA and joseph should be very happy with thier placing in the race , but when it decends to namecalling and malice then whats the point , especially when you have no idea who your shouting at . if you want to have a barney or let off steam there are plenty threads that cater for that and plenty posters who welcome it aswell , try leave the odd thread for opinion Im not singling you out motley i dont know you , you can write with intelligence so im sure even you realise where this all leads , good luck with your punting today |
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Hello, in my view, there was no barney, no malice, or name calling, i pointed out to brigust
his posts were clueless imo. He then went off at the deep end, hurled obscenities, I replied calmly, he left the forum. Which I did not envisage, or wish to happen. |
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I hope brigust returns , he loves a good debate and sticks to his corner rigidly , he IS a stubborn chap
 I think the further they went on sat the closer SNA was going to get to them but ground and track dictated where the racing position was to be and when the challenge was to start , this would have been taken pre race within the team and i cant say it was wrong given the proximity at the end , was just done by two very high class middle distance horses for toe |
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Now look what you have done. "Let all the evils that lurk in the mud hatch out" has come to pass and the Forum has lost Brigust.
By the way SNA was ridden to achieve his best possible placing and he did so. More use made of him would have likely seen him out the frame. |
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It is my belief that SNA is not quite the top class animal that some expect, he is I BELIEVE.
about 7 lbs below the best, I thought that before the ARC and have had no reason to change my mind since. A lot of horses make hay whilst the sun shines, one running this weekend cannot win group 1 races in Britain but goes to America and beats them on their own midden and still not top class. The problem though is how does a person decide the difference between classes, all I know is that I find it easier than most, but it cannot be taught so that the pupil can retain the knowledge in a few short lessons and this forum is NOT the place to give away hard earned knowledge, or the price goes before I have had a bite. |
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using hand timing imho he was too far back.
I made it 126-20 from the seven to the line and 59.87 to the three, they then kicked around the three and did around 24-05 to the one and a final furlong of 13-28 when he made ground on them. Dont know if he would have won but a ride like the Breeders Cup turf where he was a lot closer would have seen him in better light My only bet in the race was a Danedream/SNA rfc  |
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My only bet in the race was DANEDREAM.
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So no comment of the mechanics of the race then??
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Mechanics of the race? All horses ridden to get best possible placing with the possible exception of Dunadem and Brown Panther who paid the price for being on the pace, the rest finished in the correct order assuming Danedreamer was back to her best and that turned out to be the case. Great race - right result especially if you backed the winner and hard luck to those that backed the second. Sea Moon a liitle disappointing but confimed his G2 class. SNA snatched 3rd from Immortal Verse, if he is ridden closer to the pace the positions would likely have been reversed. Rest of the field just not good enough.
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It is my belief that SNA is not quite the top class animal that some expect
I think you'll be eating these words if he takes up his entry in the Juddmonte |
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Immortal Verse wouldnt have stayed for a start
 Even if you hold a horse up it hasnt got to be half detached in last place... |
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Do you think a horse like Brown Panther would have been beaten just 3 or so lengths if he was up with a strong pace??
I dont |
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Didn't back him and i'm usually the first to defend a jockey but it was a poor ride whether he should of won or not is immaterial imo.
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Not sure what the point is re Brown Panther.
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I reckon if he was close to a strong pace he would have been out with the washing
4l covering the first 7 at the finish as well makes me think they didnt go breakneck up front just an opinion |
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I've no complaints about him dropping the horse out.....i just don't think it was done in a clever way.
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The time on g/s ground this year and last year was 4 seconds quicker this year so last year they were crawling or this year the pace was strong.
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They crawled last year, Rewildings pacemaker Debussy dropped anchor in front
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So 4 seconds is about 30- 40 lengths what was the pace on Saturday. Strong I`d say.
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Not that strong, id say it was medium, pacemaker missed the kick as well
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Andreas Starke was having his first ride on the course, but
he still had enough nous to shadow the main danger, and he was caught out just slightly when NAT went for home, eventually class told and she is VERY classy, some of you will admit it when she has won her next two races, size in her case really does NOT matter. |
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SNA is a very talented Horse and could win a Melbourne Cup over a mile and six or an Irish champion stakes at a mile and two but Brigust made the enviably enlightened point that the Horse does not get 12f on g/s against top class Horses and that is correct he does not
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MC is 2m
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1m6 = 2m.
YDC |
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ILWAB.............save your breath...........all as thick as pig shyte.nap  |
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If SNA was just done by two very high class middle distance horses for toe then how does sitting 8L or so off them all the way around help SNA? Surely if other horses are quicker than yours you don't gift them a soft lead that they can then use to quicken away from you.
SNA was quickening and finishing faster than the first two anyway as he was around 6-7L down at the 3f pole and yet only 1½L at the line and since neither of the first two were stopping, you have to surmise from that that SNA was going the faster of the three horses in the final stages of the race and that the horse clearly stays 12f if able to close down genuine Gr1 horses on a stiff-ish track like Ascot with its slight but prolonged uphill gradient after they straighten up. The biggest indication though of it being a poorly judged ride was that usually a jockey will be pushing the horse to get it into top gear and then use the whip to keep it up to it, yet Joseph O'Brien went to the whip as a first resort in panic to try to get SNA to quicken due to realising he had let the others get away from him and he didn't have time to push first and then use the whip later. The fact O'Brien was given a whip ban seems to support this, as does the jockeys on the first two also receiving whip bans support the fact that their horses weren't stopping and were ridden all the way to the line and yet the supposed non-staying 12f SNA still managed to close them down and was never close than at the finish. |
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Aiden O'brien said to a reporter just before the off of thre KG that the ground was dead ,he sounded pretty downbeat about the prospects for SNA , his pessimism over the prevailing ground was soon mirrored in the bf market and the Horse drifted badly . The most astute reading of the way the race unfolded, that I have read points to the fact that SNA did not pass rivals immediately in front of him till very late on and then only after coming under max pressure to do so .
The MC is run over 2 miles , hard to forget as i backed Red Cadeaux w/p last year when he was second to Dunedin. M.Rodd came under a lot of Criticism at the time for the ride he gave the Horse, not completely averse to a bit of Jockey knocking myself when I feel they have messed up on a ride, but in that case I thought he had performed with great credit to get the horse so close to the winner and so it has proved given Dunaden's clear superiority in clashes with Red Cadeaux since . Returning to SNA , I think a pragmatic decision to run the Horse out the back and aim for a best possible placing was taken by connections last Saturday, it was a sensible choice imo , but who knows may have got it all wrong, we will all probably know by the end of the season or earlier the real merits of the KG placings |
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ilikewavingatbuses 25 Jul 12 22:06 Joined: 06 Jun 09 | Topic/replies: 26,907 | Blogger: ilikewavingatbuses's blog
1m6 = 2m  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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No one could possibly show there face on here again after that
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SNA is a G1 horse agreed but not a great G1 horse and was ridden to achieve a best possible placing which he did. Made more use of and I don`t think he would have finished third. It is interesting to note that he won the Coronation Cup in a second slower than Camelot which in my opinion reinforces the fact that is good but not that good. I also agree about his stamina limitations especially on softer ground and would be amazed if there was any thoughts of going to Melbourne, the Breeder`s Cup is far more likely.
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Sorry but your opinion is worthless.
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this freds been done to death
SNA is right out of the top drawer an the rest of the season will serve to confirm this IMO betfair chums  |
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Don`t hold your breath.
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No Buses this evening ?
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ffs,the post mortem is still going on,what is wrong with ye people
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1m6 is not 2m
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Buses is back and he's got a Carpenters DVD - be real careful....
...............white lace and promises...... |