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yes it was nuts that dunaden was a shorter price than danedream.
still cant work out why people made sna shorter than her too??? she done him last time fair and square. think this time they tried different tactics as being closer in paris last time saw him go backwards late on. dont think any tactics would see him beat the best female horse in the world imo |
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I don't think I'm wrong FELTFAIR about Dunaden not really being a Gr1 quality horse.
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It is a Gr1 Horse - i could see it running a great race in the Grade 1 Supreme Novices Hurdle
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Harsh................but oh so witty !
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Hi guys, muppet is back. Some of you do not understand the SNA stamina bit.
I think that at many racecourses, particularly like Epsom and York, on good or faster going SNA would beat the two that beat him in the KG at those weights. However on a stiff track on softish ground he was beaten because he doesn't have the stamina of the first and second. Most horses will 'stay' 12f but winning is a completely different matter. The horses SNA beat in the KG he was fully entitled to beat albeit not as far as he would beat them on an easier track. He murdered Sea Moon at Churchill Downs but only beat him narrowly in the KG. SNA murdered Red Cadeux at Epsom and RC and Dunaden are almost the same horse yet he didn't beat Dunaden very far in the KG. Neither Sea Moon's nor Dunaden's stamina can be questioned so imo the reason for their peoximity is SNA's suspect stamina on a stiff track and softish ground. |
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and still it rumbles on piss poor ride stays 12f
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and still it rumbles on piss poor ride stays 12f
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allday long just read the racing post in running comments kg last year "allowed leaders to go clear 8f out" kg this year "held up well off pace" joseph obrien is not the right jockey for the horse just watch the video of the sheema classic the horse was going on after the line and should have won
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Well lots of punters are obviously convinced SNA was an unlucky loser and should have beaten Danedream and Nathaniel, so much so that on here for the Arc they go Danedream 8.6, Nathaniel 9.8 and St Nicholas Abbey 17.5. You make up your own mind.
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you missing the point the horse cant win from so far back in a proper group 1 and if obrien thinks it cant get 12f on good to soft why on earth did he run a pacemaker ????????
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And you actually think it is me who is missing the point, oh dear. I'm off to bed. G'night.
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this brig fella is a bit slow,dont waste your time,he knows nothing about the game,poor kid
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i think ive frazzled his brain hes had to go to bed lols
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Not about SNA, but there was a more recent pointer to DANDREAM and that
was the FIORENTE race with JOSHUA TREE second and RED CADEAUX third, danedream had beaten JOSHUA TREE by thirteen lengths last year at BADEN-BADEN. All of the form ties in with DUNADEN and other form lines. Another form line is through LUCAS CRANACH, check these out then decide if DUNADEN is a true group 1 horse, or an excellent handicapper, which will never make the transition. |
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Thought you were never going to post again HORSERACINGEXPERT?
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dunaden 9 wins 7 of which were after mid october keep an eye out for this fella come the autumn
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To say SNA does not stay 12f us laughable.
I am not saying it would have won on Saturday but if you look at the last 2f it had 12f plus horse written all over it. I think its a decent price for the Arc IF the ground is decent. |
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So when SNA beats Sea Moon by 2¼L in the Breeders's Cup he has "murdered" him but when he finishes "only" around 2L ahead of Dunaden in the KG he hasn't beaten him "very far" is the verdict?
I'd also question the use of the word murdered anyway regarding SNA and SM in the Breeders's Cup, as although fairly well on top in the end, it took him a long time and late in the race to get there but again he was doing it against a Gr2 winning horse at best in Sea Moon but Danedream/Nathaniel are Gr1 horses and SNA wasn't able to reel in a better class of opponent when giving them 8L start. Also the close comparisons between Dunaden and Red Cadeaux again tend to be based mostly on the one time only when they were closely matched in the Melbourne Cup when there was a nose between them. In their other meetings in HK Dunaden won by 1½L and in the Hardwicke there was ¾L despite RC (and Sea Moon) getting first run and Dunaden also not getting a clear run when running into the Godolphin horse and also being hemmed in by RC too. SM was flattered by the distance he was clear of Dunaden due to kicking on while Dunaden was unable to make any move. |
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It's all relative Hip, and successful punting is all about knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. Don't forget Ajdal ran in the Derby and was fancied to win it. He ended up champion sprinter. All horses 'stay' but it is all relative to the course, going and opposition. I didn't think stamina would be SNA's strong point in KG because of these reasons. I listen to me, I certainly wouldn't listen to quite a few of the above. Some of the good posters on here stand out a mile but the rest, well I'll leave it at that. I just suggest you try to learn from your experiences. Everyone makes mistakes but only idiots make the same mistake time and again.
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Long may some of the people on this thread have a funded BF account imo
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brigust1
.....I just suggest you try to learn from your experiences. Everyone makes mistakes but only idiots make the same mistake time and again. Some people might say that is good advice for Joseph O'Brien!  |
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Brigust. If you are of the opinion that stamina is not SNA strong point
you are seriously deluded. The only reason he doesn't race beyond 1m 4f is because it would seriously devalue him as a stallion. Every time they run him they employ a pacemaker, because he's a gallopper. They are trying to replace Montjeu with him. Can you please explain how you think epsom would suit Danedream. "She would fly round there". Totally clueless. |
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I personally don't know either way if Danedream would act around Epsom, mainly because she has never tried it but that's the very reason why nobody else knows either.
If you think she wouldn't motley01 then to put your own question back to you, can you explain why or were you also just suggesting nobody knows either way but wanted an explanation from brigust1 of why she would? |
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Her racing style is obviously suited to staying galloping tracks,
off strong paces, as her winning the two G1s would no doubt lead you to believe. And as her trainer indicated. The last place you would send her is Epsom, as it is the total opposite to what she appears to need. So when you read posts such as brigusts, it's difficult to conclude he has a clue what he's looking at. |
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Why is it that this forum gets infested with total morons like Motley? You come on these threads to put forward your views and try to discuss completely valid points with like minded people and you get slaughtered by a completely brainless idiot you wouldn't p i ss on if he was on fire. No wonder most of the decent posters have left because idiots like Motley give this forum a bad name.
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so whatever you say is right end of brigust ??????????????
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I dont always agree with brigust but he is a decent and interesting poster keen to debate and put his point across without insult , try do the same motley its not hard
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I'm a punter J.I make my living at it. I make mistakes like everyone else. I come onto this forum only very occasionally to discuss points of view. I therefore do not expect, or ask for, anyone to start calling me 'clueless' when I put forward a point they disagree with. If they disagree then that's fine I have no problem with that. If they put forward why they disagree then that is fine also, but to call me 'clueless' just because my opinion differs from theirs simply highlights their limited intelligence, imo.
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its all about opinions and no one can be right all the time
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Oh Dear mr Brigust, have I offended you, I remember bumping into you
on another thread, brigadier Gerard I think, and reading your total diatribe regarding Frankel v BG and every single poster that took a different view to you. You were relentless, bordering on needing some form of counseling. My opinion of you was that you did not have a clue what you were talking about, and I swiftly told you. I did not call you a "moron or a "brainless idiot" you wouldn't piss on if you were on fire did I, I merely informed you what you post, on most of the occasions I read your posts, they usually contradict what appear to be the obvious. With the opinions you espouse, I very much doubt, you make a living from punting. As a matter of interest, what mistakes are you admitting to. |
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Hello:-), which comment to you consider to be an insult. "You are clueless"
or you are "you are a moron, "a brain dead idiot", "who you wouldn't piss on if you were on fire" can you directly respond please. |
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brigust v motley on the jeremy kyle show who would like to see that cos i would lmao chill out guys
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crayons please
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brigust1 24 Jul 12 23:03 Joined: 07 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 4,038 | Blogger: brigust1's blog I'm a punter J.I make my living at it Highly unlikely given some of the utterly clueless comments about horses and race reading you have put forward on this thread. Can you get broadband in your cardboard box?  |
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There was a time when you could come onto this forum and get some decent information and have a reasonable debate without rancour or insult but slowly it has become infested with the type of poster I would rather not bother my time with. It is insulting and sometimes upsetting when you are abused by someone you don't know, have no way of knowing and who hides behind their anonimity. It shouldn't be necessary to defend yourself on a forum designed to attract right minded people with a love of horse racing and an intention of making money from gambling. The number of threads I have created in 11 years you could count on one hand because that is the way I am. The number of threads I respond to are also very few and only those I have both an interest in and think I can bring something to the table. Sadly those threads are disappearing fast in a mass of silly rubbish.
So I think it is time I called it a day. The best of luck to you all. |
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Thank F'ck for that.
I have just done the world a favour. Just the 4,000 pedantic and depressing posts then.Debate is about accepting the fact that not everyone neccesarily agrees with you. Bye |
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Its quite clear who the fool is on this thread is bro an it aint brig
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Thanks Judge.
You obviously don't think SNA gets 12f either. The earth is Flat presumably as well? |
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"Crayons please" is that your response, Oh dear Hello. Brigust?, the problems with communicating on line
with no visuals or sound, is that a lot of whats sent down line the is lost in interpretation or the person who is receiving negative comments, interprets it through his paranoia or his own self imagined image. Then that paranoia, manifests itself by over reaction, that person then hurls personal insults, of which he has no idea are true or untrue. They will then try to gain credibility by over stating their position, that is called ego projection.("i do this for a living") So my reply to your numerous posts that appear to contradict the facts, ie "totally clueless" I was trying to relate was one of, Jesus how can he say that, and be so convinced, you then proclaim self adulation for your opinions. So my interpretation is this is not a spat, or tit for tat, I merely through humorous exasperation, called you clueless, and you seem to have over reacted sir. Fcuk me i hope that's not too deep, at this hour of the morning. |
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Brigust, will you please compare me calling you clueless, and you telling
me I'm a total moron, a brain dead idiot, and someone you would not "piss on" if they were on fire. On the ricter scale of insults, how do both our comments rate. You now seem to have thrown all your toys out, and appear to be sulking now sir. |