SNA is not good enough to win this.  The balance of his form suggests this he has to make up lengths with Nathaniel and Dunaden.

Nathaniel is the the bet here on a track that suits him and is a great price with a saver on Dunaden.

I can only image SNA will beat Nathaniel if somehow Buick gets to the front too early and empties the tank and O'Brien gets the pace spot on and does him with a turn of foot.  It is more likely O'Brien will exaggerate the waiting tactics and Nathaniel will get first run on him.

Despite Stoute training Sea Moon he is surely placed at best and might finish fourth so is no value at 3/1.

Has SNA ever won a really top class race ?

the coronation cup should be made into a group 3 race.

oh hey guys what's that comment i left earlier...oh yeah....DANEDREAM BET OF THE YEAR

not seen a drift like SNA's pre-race for as long as i can remember. went from 5 to 9.4 on here in the space of about ten minutes. do wonder what causes drifts like that as he didn't run a stinker by any means.

Danedream Believer.

Wallop!!

that maybe true but if you look at danedreams posture whilst running you can see why she wont like running left handed.

she travelled really well right handed.
would have won further had she not had to wait for nathaniel to go a length clear of her so she had space to manouvre out.

made u for her today as i was in the arc.

Well done fella.

as lancy howerd said ,thats whats is all about. making the right move at the wrong time

Schoolboy error by Joseph and in fairness even though he's not much older than a schoolboy anyway, he did the same thing on the horse when the pacemaker beat it earlier on in the season and both times he raced one horse and not all of them.

Having said that, Ryan Moore doesn't exactly come out of the race with too much credit for his ride either and he's considerably more experienced.

The way a track turns is largely irrelevant on the flat.

Lets be fair - brigust is a good lad and a proper poster.

However you need to be careful of the form on this thread. Kingy is a total muppet cut from the same cloth as HRE and Money Tree and Acey Deucy is a potless mug and a serial grass. He has won impressively but beaten very little.

HTH

i have alot of mugs in my house filled up with 50's, is that what you mean ?

Don't they sing 'I'm a Danedream Believer not a Homecoming Queen'? The clues are there.



Very good bri,and well done once again,Excellent selection.

ps,Do you still think SNA doesn't stay?

Mornin' guys and gals. Thanx for that.I was only pointing out the facts that were there. I didn't know anything, it's just no very often the horse with the best form starts at 10's, and they were all fully exposed.

Mornin' Mag. At risk of sounding a muppet I still think he doesn't, not on softish ground and a stiff track.   He beat what he was expected to beat and I honestly think his jockey's exagerated waiting allowed him to finish better, he did beat him up a bit. Against the same horses at Epsom I think he would nearly win, but I also think the filly would fly round Epsom. I wouldn't be anywhere near so confident there, about him that is. I seriously wish they had saved him for the Juddmonte.

I think SNA finished exactly where it should have behind two top class horses , ran a good race and wouldnt have been any closer no matter where or when it started run

im not sure what all the fuss is about im sure AOB is happy it was that close to two off the highest class horses around who were flaT OUT

sea moon was the dissapointment imo

I'm not sure I would agree that SNA wouldn't have been any closer no matter where or when it started its run when you consider the first and second weren't stopping and ran all the way to the line, yet SNA at the 3f pole is around 6-7 lengths down on them both but only 1½L at the line. You would have to say in all probability that had the horse been kept closer then it might well have won.

You can still hold up a horse without having to be plumb last and had this been a 5 runner race and they had run in Indian file then I doubt SNA would have been ridden 6-7L off the pace and even had the 5 being nose to tail then he would only have been 5L off the lead.

Dunadem was a good example of being up with the pace, he was finished at the two furlong pole. Had he been ridden as normal, dropped out and come with a late run, a la Melbourne Cup, would he have finished a lot closer. Nobody has commented on his performance but as  soon as a horse comes from behind everyone queues up to say more use of the horse should have been made. In my opinion SNA achieved his best possible placing and the ride given achieved that.

Except the flaw in that argument is that Dunaden isn't really a Gr1 horse, despite winning a poor one in HK and you may just as well say that was the same reason Brown Panther was beaten, except that wasn't the case either and it was just neither are true Gr1 quality horses. 12f is probably a bit short for both of those horses too at the highest level and had they sat off the pace, they would still have been beaten for speed but just running on at the end. Dunaden ran exactly to form, like a Gr2/3 or top end handicapper running in a Gr1 and was closely tied in with Sea Moon on Hardwicke form and that one has never even won a Gr1.

The winner and 2nd are genuine Gr1 horses, which is why when they were always in the first 5 and only ever about 5-6L behind the pacemaker, they were able to be involved at the finish and despite being all out and SNA making ground on both of them, that initial start they were given was what made the difference.

Dunaden is a slow old boat - always seems to get an 'unlucky' passage or be ridden wrongly.

Its a Cup horse - it has no business in European G1's at 12f