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WAS BUSINESS AS BAD AS IT LOOKED?
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Even if business is slow, the fact that no-one backed a winner sort of makes up for it
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last winner 7 into 5 hope this helps.
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It was so bad Tim that we brought the tools home and are not going to the next 2 days. As for no-one backing a winner, yes, the results were in our favour but I had to go 4/5 the o'brien horse in the Musidora when it was 1.74 on here to get anything out of the thing, the first winner was the best backed horse in the race, Mulaquen was our worst (only just though) and the last winner we laid at all rates from 8/1 down to 5/1 Fav. Not quite the bonanza that was suggested.
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taking £200 a race possibly doesn't help either
will paying more to bet next year help or hinder ? |
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Guy next to me was laying 3/1 the 6th race fav when it was 3.8 to lay on here. Once he got that in he then pulled the nuts off everything else. I'm not sure he could have had any winners in the race at all!
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you know , wasnot , you shouldn't be telling forum users it's bigger on course than on this exchange , they'll think the pantomine season has started
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Adge
There is an article on the RP website about JC 2012 agreement, I do not subcribe to the RP. Is there anything you can tell us. |
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Lockinge will be interesting on Sat if they all run adge. Strong suit is 16/1 to win the race and you can lay less than 4/6 for a place on here. Has Jockey got a 1/20th odds board?
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i don't either , wa , but there was a press release expected last week concerning the 2012 sgreement that didn't materialise.[ the important word there is agreement btw ]
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JCR signs 40-year deal with on-course layers
By Howard Wright 8:13PM 16 MAY 2012 The deal brought immediate praise from the government and hopes of more vibrant betting rings "bringing theatre and fun to our venues", according to Jockey Club chief executive Simon Bazalgette. The deal includes the option of a ten-year extension and will provide certainty for on-course bookmakers at many of Britain's biggest-turnover tracks, from Aintree and Cheltenham to Newmarket and Epsom. The arrangement begins on September 1, the deadline set by the Racecourse Association in 2007 as a result of provisions in the Gambling Act 2005, which removed the traditional ‘five-times admission' rule for charging on-course bookmakers and paved the way for commercial negotiations. Details are not being made public, but bookmakers will be charged a sliding scale based on admission prices, according to the importance of the meeting, and an annual marketing fee, while racecourses will take commission from the sale of pick positions. In return bookmakers will have certainty of tenure and there will be an agreed disputes procedure. Towcester was the first course to strike a long-termdeal with the FRB in 2009, followed by Northern Racing in October 2010, Arena Leisure in November last year and a grouping of smaller independents comprising Fakenham, Hexham, Plumpton, Taunton and Stratford in February. Sealing the deal with the Jockey Club is expected to accelerate the FRB's outstanding but welladvanced negotiations with the Yorkshire courses and those in Scotland, which are acting as separate groups, and major tracks such as Goodwood and Newbury. Ascot is likely tobe the last to put pen to paper. Simon Bazalgette Simon Bazalgette: very pleased PICTURE: Dan Abraham Minister for gambling John Penrose, whose Labour government predecessor Gerry Sutcliffe grappled with the topic throughout his three years as sports minister, was delighted to be a step nearer clearing the issue from his pending tray. "Huge congratulations to both the FRB and Jockey Club Racecourses for reaching this agreement," he said on Wednesday. "It's a commercially brokered deal which should to stand both parties in good stead for the next 50 years. "This framework provides certainty for racing and on-course bookmakers, and the outcome should define their future working relations. "I understand deals are still outstanding at 18 racecourses, so I'd urge them to join the rest of the industry long before the end of August." Although on-course bookmakers will face increased costs under the new arrangement, leaders of their trade bodies believe that completing the deals and committing to a joint approach to spend the marketing fees shows that racecourses acknowledge the importance of the on-track market as part of the raceday experience. Bazalgette said: "I'm very pleased we have reached an equitable arrangement with the FRB. Relations have grown stronger and this is a good sign for our ongoing partnership. "The more people we attract to our courses, the more opportunities there are for on-course bookmakers, so we have a shared stake in helping this growth to continue. "We recognise the unique role on-course bookmakers play, bringing theatre and fun to our venues, and long may that continue." A joint statement from the FRB negotiating team of Robin Grossmith, Barry Johnson and Keith Johnson described the JCR deal as "a turning point in our relationship with racecourses nationwide". They added: "These are difficult times for on-course bookmakers, so we are pleased to have secured this deal. "Both parties have worked hard and the positive outcome is a testament to that." |
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I DONT KNOW WHICH IS THE BIGGER MYSTERY,HOW DO COMMISSION AGENTS MAKE IT PAY WITH THE EKIES? OR WHY DO YORK TATTS PITCHES KEEP FETCHING THE MONEY THAT THEY DO
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Glad to see the marketing fee is included, imagine the increased crowds at the Dante meeting next year as a result!
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thanks jmdc
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it was the increased crowd of bookmakers that is becoming the problem.
a few years ago we had sensible optimum numbers , the centre at york the number was 15 for the tuesday and thursday and 25 for dante day . all being acceptable. today we had 31 [ yes thirty one ] turning up to bet with some multiples so not surprised it was useless business for everyone |
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ADGE OF THE 31 BOOKS I WONDER HOW MANY WERE LINKED UP,HOW MANY WERE COMMISION AGENTS AND ABOVE ALL HOW MANY WERE TRIERS(IN TRIERS I MEAN BOOKMAKERS THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE RACECOURSES)I BET LESS THAN HALF????????
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Will AGT still take a % of pitch sales as well as JCR post Aug 2012?
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I don't think so, which would mean a big % of their income stream will be lost
Adge will know the definite answer to this one |
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JCR take 8% + vat , agt get nothing but are sure to wangle some form of registration fee from the buyer
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business in tatts yesterday = shocking
business on the rails yesterday =shocking number of security officers to crowd =too many shocking price of two cappachinos 5.60 unbelievable come racing !!  |
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Adge re your 21 55 post, how is it some tracks retain "optimum numbers" eg Wetherby, when it is supposedly against competetion law?
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Not against the law. Up to the tracks as to what numbers of bookmakers they want.
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Dave
That is one thing the courses could do to save money on.The number of security at these mid week meetings is a joke(far too many).Instead they just keep putting the prices up.Surely they should review a simple thing like the number of car park attendants they have mid week,there's always far too many. |
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Not against the law. Up to the tracks as to what numbers of bookmakers they want.
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does that mean from sept can they decide whatever numbers thery want then in any enclosure?
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no sept 2012 agreements contain anything regarding set bookmaker maximum numbers but it could be possible that when new areas are invented the rails and ring numbers could increase accordingly to how they are taken up.
some shrewdies are buying picks accordingly |
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york silver cerainly thought of saving money , dave allpoints , by keeping one of the gents toilets locked up
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FRIGHTENLY BAD.GOING PUNTING TODAY.
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A thread full of whinging sewer rat bookies, good enough for you coonts
You have bled this sport dry for 30 years. |
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Make sure you stand around the middle of the 2nd line regit. Unbelievable value for punters. Arbs galore!
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REGIT,"IM GOING PUNTING" I THOUGHT THATS WHAT U DID EVERYDAY. |
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MOTLEY,NO BOOKMAKERS=NO RACING,END OF
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genuine question tim.yes or know please.have you ever seen one of my books.
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NOW NOW REGIT,DONT GET ALL EXCITED,YOU KNOW DEEP DOWN THAT I LOVE YA
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ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS NO
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like to put them in order and stand them for as little as possible and hold as much as possible.the reason why york pitches hold there value is the number of good days.im pretty sad that its really not possible to bet in tatts at the dante meeting unless your in the top 12
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YOU SHOW ME YOURS,AND ILL SHOW U MINE
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Your not bookmakers, your parasites. No stable staff, no owners, no trainers, no
venues, no breeders, no other industry workers, no fcuking racing. Ye pay a pittance for the product turn up and try screw punters for as much as you can take, when it's not going to good, ye fcuking whinge. Call into the shops you can't get fcuking £50 quid on. A bunch of fcuking sewer rats. |
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YOU'RE
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MOTLEY,HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOME OF YOUR ABOVE POST IT IS LIKE PULLING TEETH TRYING TO GET A BET ON,BUT THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT PUNTERS HAVE NEVER HAD BETTER VALUE IN THE BETTING RINGS THAN THEY GET NOW,WITH MORE AND MORE BOOKMAKERS GOING BIGGER THAN THE EXCHANGES(NO COMMISSION ,NO PREMIUM CHARGE),THE USELESS GAMBLING COMMISSION SHOULD CLAMP DOWN ON THE SHOPS AS YOU SAY U CANT GET £50 ON.
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