lets face it unfortunately the game has become about taking more money than the next man and it isn't going to change is it? the irish sports adivisor mention are up 3 hours before the first ffs trying to grab the money out of the punters hand,i was on the front line at york and bet 1/5 on the 16+ runner handicaps as i wouldn't have taken a bet otherwise and still lost on the places so good luck to anyone betting 1/4,never bet 1/6 and continually get slaughtered by those who do,used to bet 1/4 at york before the changes as it was different class as all the 1/5-1/6 merchants bet win only,thanks again GC.

Extinction a strong possibility for on course layers just a quaetion of how long it takes. Contributing factors are dwindling customer base, sharp practitioners such as jocky et al, level of expenses and usage of Exchanges on course. The substitution of hedging with other layers with hedging on to the Exchnges has had an obvious detrimental effect on turnover. Anyone thinking of a career as an on course layer needs their bumps felt.

Thanks skint - how was Newmarket ?

democrat,

Undoubtedly, we were one of the few, that won over the three days!

Well done skint you're different class !

Ribero, I understand your point, but is it not time bookies stopped worrying about the 'number' of bets taken, instead committing to betting well. I agree its difficult, but if enough of us band together(in little co-operating groups) and agree to bet well 1.5% to 2% in some rare instances, we can make more than those determined to process every bet.
Bookie (thats a joke!) near me 'Napper' was clearly offering a pure exchange price, 13/1 22/1 17/1 all this crap. I dont worry about him, simply because I have the better pick and he can please himself whilst he jacks off his day to earn 200 quid. The hilarios part about such clowns (there's a worse term, but children on here) is they can't work out the commission at 2% makes them worse off in reality. short sighted and weak
it only requires more co-operation amongst sensible firms. Sustainable margin must be the call for our future. with that comes choice for the punter - what they miss

Theressome - I take the point you are making. It was ever thus that there was the possibility of refusal or insult i.e I recall an occasion at Chester asking for 500/70 and being offered 50/7 !! My point is that the practice of trading with one another has to all intents and purposes disappeared.

how can bookies spout on about %,s and overounds, etc then come on here saying they take 18 bets in a 2o runner race,all off the above only apply when every horse is in the book surely,how you take 20 bets in a race and declareyourself a loser whatever the result defys belief ,the fact your there every week tells us porkies are been told and your happy with the current situation,should be attracting me to your pitches at all costs backed 20 losers at thirsk already this season, , feels like 40 when i read bookies are losing on every race,must have a lot of credit clients because there arnt at long queues at the joints for payouts

I for one have tried desperately to keep to tatts place terms, never going bigger than 1/4 amd 1/5 but as a back line book, its heartbreaking just standing there with a place book at 96% taking absolutely nothing whilst the front line boys offer inferior place terms and the punters still bet with them. I have also stood many a day on the back line with 1/6 odds either side of me and taking less than 10 bets a race when offering slightly inferior win prices but the correct place terms.
Two weeks ago I gave up. The expenses are killing me so if the only way I can get any business is by offering win only books and a 1/6 odds then this is the way I will have to operate. Sad, but there are just too many books out there with 17/4, 30/1 etc on the board and a 1/6 odds hoovering up everything.

you'vegotit off subject a bit  but a remember a saying of me dads
you might as well go bust for being too dear as too cheap

The GC has created a loophole and JW continues to drive a coach and horses through it.

the day they allowed firms to have 2-3-4 pitches in a ring shot the rest of you right up the arszze

sorry to be late with this question, the earlier posts wont load.

whats happened with johnson and verrell?

the bootom line on how to stop this is this ,and it apples to the ew merchants you all rant about ,,,,,,when u walk pass there joint u go shuuuuus and gob on there board

twice

LOL,DONT HOLD BACK JOHNNY,SAY IT AS U SEE IT

the danger is within you must realise that ..........................them at the top of the rings with information powers  i.e. getting there cards marked will fkk the rest off you without a whim ........cant ya see that its being done by johnson and verrall and otheres as well ....tommorrow youll be kisssing there jackisees while there shafting you out the game ....2 horrible nasty people .......all together now shuuuusss

He does, but I dont think he's been one of the negotiators with the racecourses.

nothinbutthe truth .....i would but it would be over his head

theyll never get a job with colonel sanderson will they ?advertising ..........finger lickin good