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you guys cant have been looking.first race jocky and al cumbria one eighth
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you guys cant have been looking.first race jocky and al cumbria one eighth
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Got a stammer Maxed!
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Come on now, thinking caps on. How do we stop the shysters?
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How's about e mailing the managing director /
Racecourse manager at all the uk courses I don't mind getting all the details together |
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Then surely we can bombard them with e-mails if we put
Their e-mail adresses on this thread ? |
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tbf to jocky been around for a while now so must be making the game pay, and a few in the ring are now realising the u can,t beat him so join him scenerio, shame realy but bit like the early days of b,fair.
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nineiron, maybe a similar approach could be to get friends to write in to the racecourses complaining? As for the scenario being like the early days of betfair, that is the path that has lead us to the state the ring is in now. As for joining him, I can make it pay without lowering myself to preying on the vulnerable. If I couldn't, I would give up.
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I'm at bangor tomoz will update on who played
Straight and who was shafting the punters |
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I'm at Newbury. Will report on Jockey and anyone else who didn't play fair.
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We could take photos on our mobiles and put up a wall of shame!
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1st race today, no value to be had at 1/6th to bf prices then?
 Place terms on here were shocking  |
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unfortunately no one reads the place odds signs .we bet win only and 'blasted away '
after turning away half the track we took 18 bets !! |
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MaxED if that was all they did then it could be defensible. However, going 1/6th odds 1234 in an 18 runner handicap is not, nor is going 1/5th 1,2,in a 7 runner race when you have 135% in the place book at 1/4 1,2.
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Hi dm. Hope the results were kinder to you today.
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wassie very NEARLY got yesterdays back
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Hope business was better on the last 2 days. Wednesday was as bad as I've known it at York.
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steve took more in the playground apparently ,than wednesday !!probably doubled on thurs and 50 % increase again today
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York Tatts, with few exceptions has become embarrassing. Many betting to a sixth the odds in the first inc G Hughes no 1 pitch. I mean is it imposible to frame a win market that makes the place (at a fifth)viable? Most 16-20 runner handicaps 90% books 1/5 odds. Fine I accept punters still betting with them, but isn't this whole thing(given the collapse in slippage) terribly short sighted?
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Hamilton tonight, almost all the books betting traditional ew terms,aye even BDH well done to him and welcome back, the extremities of the ring where latham had 3 pitches being the exception plus of course Porter.
Sportsadvisor,these bookies moaning and whingering about the lack of business whist offering inferier terms than the high street to punters paying good money to go racing defies belief,treat your customers with contempt and eventually you have no customers. |
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SPOT ON SPORT,BUT UNFORTUNATLY EMBARRASMENT ISNT A FACTOR FOR A LOT OF THESE SO CALLED BOOKMAKERS,TOTALY KILLING THE GAME.
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how are they killing the game
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ARE U SERIOUS DAVY????????
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mmammalushka !!! porter as you described him bets to one of the smallest win margins on the track ie biggest prices and you can have what you want on !! the fact he goes a 1/5 1 2 is neither here nor there imo.. its his personal business decision .... you dont have to bet .......
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is it imposible to frame a win market that makes the place (at a fifth)viable?
I agree with you sports. Trouble is we all know from bitter experience that if you go the correct 1/5th and frame your prices to make the places viable, the punters will leave you out and queue up to be on at 1/6th/1/7th/1/8th with slightly bigger win odds. You do the right thing by the punters and they bet with the shysters instead. I think the problem is that only a few punters who go racing these days have a clue about betting, unlike years ago where they knew what they were doing and could see a blatant con when they saw it. The only thing they understand is that 17/1 is bigger than 16/1. This is why I think the Gambling Commission should be stepping in under their 'protection of the vulnerable' guise. |
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GOOD IDEA NINEIRON I WILL BE AT NEWBURY TO REPORT ON ALL THE RENTERS SO CALLED REPS WHO BET WITH THEIR OWN MONEY AND ANY SIGHTING OF THE MORRIS FAMILY PLAYING MONOPOLY
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wasnot u say most punters dont have a clue,and u want the g/c to tell them to take 16s instead of 17s,ill leave that one for you to explain then,since they know 17 is bigger than 16
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for once i have to support mmmaluska and both he and i know that that is rare.
dave d , neville porter does bet to tight margins but 1/5th 1-2 is neither here nor there. isn't it , that is one of the biggest rip offs arround as those races are the biggest percentages in bookmakers favour. i also remember he was the very first to go 1/5th odds in the ayr gold cup not much to report from aintree last night other than the weather ruined it and the liverpool public clearly will not pay £23 to go racing. [ i'm avoiding mentioning the 6/1 shot fatally injuring itself cantering to the start followed by the 10/11 favouite refusing to line up and the " official " announcement concerning withdrawal rule 4 btw ] |
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Not sure about your beef re Jack Bevan's alias Wassy !! Think you are adopting double standards when your alter ego is JOHN THOMAS !!!!
 - or something like that !! |
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thirsk today the 1/6th odds widely appeared in both divisions of the maiden.
first was just 103% [ at 1/5th ] and second was overbroke at 97% any book with any quality would have wom well on both races on places |
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Jockey waited until the last 2 at Newbury to spring into life them BAM! 17 runner h'cap @ 1/6th odds 1234 and KAPOW! 17 runner maiden where my place book was over 130% he put up 1/6th odds 123. However, his performance was trumped by Kenny Wager who offered worse place terms (usually 1/6th) in every race. In the Lockinge he put up 1/7th odds EW. I had 2 lads look at my board in a 12-15 runner h'cap & choose to ignore my 20/1 at 1/4 odds 123 in favour of Kenny's 18/1 at 1/6th 123. What on earth can you do?
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and my other trading name is not John Thomas demo!
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always amuses me at York to watch valuable front line pitch holders stare at my 1/4 odds sign as if I was betting to lose on purpose.
of course whilst they're staring they're not taking any bets..decline to one sixth number of bets over 5 years ago is apparent - why? (number of bets - not average wager size don't forget) and finally, heads in their laptops, not on what's in front of them major pitch holder(position wise) told me he was worried when framing his book about the odds of those below him. I wonder what's the point in buying the high ground - if not to bet well? Shame about Greg Hughes, bets to lose and cares little if he does. 1/6 odds first race Friday. Way to lead and in the South? Barry Johnson and Martyn Verrall getting it on together - abusing scheduled Y to rent pitches to each other. Shameful examples from so called directors of the ARB - and in Barry's case - the two minute 'bookie' - representing bookies on the AGT and FRB board. Hang your heads in abject shame |
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always amuses me at York to watch valuable front line pitch holders stare at my 1/4 odds sign as if I was betting to lose on purpose.
of course whilst they're staring they're not taking any bets..decline to one sixth number of bets over 5 years ago is apparent - why? (number of bets - not average wager size don't forget) and finally, heads in their laptops, not on what's in front of them major pitch holder(position wise) told me he was worried when framing his book about the odds of those below him. I wonder what's the point in buying the high ground - if not to bet well? Shame about Greg Hughes, bets to lose and cares little if he does. 1/6 odds first race Friday. Way to lead and in the South? Barry Johnson and Martyn Verrall getting it on together - abusing scheduled Y to rent pitches to each other. Shameful examples from so called directors of the ARB - and in Barry's case - the two minute 'bookie' - representing bookies on the AGT and FRB board. Hang your heads in abject shame |
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always amuses me at York to watch valuable front line pitch holders stare at my 1/4 odds sign as if I was betting to lose on purpose.
of course whilst they're staring they're not taking any bets..decline to one sixth number of bets over 5 years ago is apparent - why? (number of bets - not average wager size don't forget) and finally, heads in their laptops, not on what's in front of them major pitch holder(position wise) told me he was worried when framing his book about the odds of those below him. I wonder what's the point in buying the high ground - if not to bet well? Shame about Greg Hughes, bets to lose and cares little if he does. 1/6 odds first race Friday. Way to lead and in the South? Barry Johnson and Martyn Verrall getting it on together - abusing scheduled Y to rent pitches to each other. Shameful examples from so called directors of the ARB - and in Barry's case - the two minute 'bookie' - representing bookies on the AGT and FRB board. Hang your heads in abject shame |
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I go racing regularly and if bookies are offering inferior odds and place terms i always use my phone to bet online.
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good post , sports advisor.
the last point was brought to my attention at york this week. as you say , for those who wish us to look up to and set standards and a good example , their actions cause us to look down at them i echo , shame on them both |
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yes good post sportsadvisor
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thanks guys. I'm not concerned at total turnover by the way, I'm looking at the number of bets. Even if modest (which we take as a service of course)
Racecourses still delivering attendances, but bets well well down What are we doing wrong, it's not so much the EW - that's a strong factor yes, but are we just too boring these days? |
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as barry dennis said the other day to many hobby bookmakers who dont give a toss just like to turn up and show off
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