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King George VI (29th July)
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Backed Enable win and Desert Encounter each way four places.
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Good renewal this one. Can't think of a top class 12f horse that's fit and not in this.
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I too am on Enable (Win) and Desert Encounter (EW)
Who is paying 4 places Feltfair? - no one per oddschecker |
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For me there are three genuine Gp1 horses in the field, that's Enable, Ulysses and Highland Reel. After the Oaks when I said Enable would have a strong chance in the KG or even the Arc I was expecting to be getting a price more like the 7/2 that Taghrooda went off when she won. I think her current price still offers some value but obviously not as much as was hoped for. I have her 3lbs ahead of the two older runners mentioned, which is enough for a length and a half victory on my scale so she's capable of a decisive win. On the other hand horses can't be expect to always run exactly to the pound. Most of us think she'll be fine on softer ground but we don't know for sure. She could run really well on it while running a couple of pounds below her Oaks form. We could get a slow pace to confuse things, she could have trouble in running or have to take a wider than ideal trip. Any of those things could lessen her advantage. Therefore at the current prices I'm still backing her to win but having stake savers on Highland Reel and Ulysses. If either of those two underperform I think she can win easily as I have her 5+ lengths ahead of the likes of Jack Hobbs. If Jack Hobbs proves me wrong so be it. I was happy with the decision to oppose him at the time.
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*can't be expected
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Even allowing that Nyaleti has probably showed improved form today the ground at the moment looks a good deal quicker than yesterday on the straight.
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Ulysses to beat Enable
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Two races in now and I'd call that good ground on the straight.
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Few ££ on the reverse forecast with the main 2 Jonny G pair, 6.6 on here.
Gd luck all. |
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have gone round in circles with this race and come down on a horse i didn't think i would in idaho, i still believe the hardwiche to be a poor renewal this year but he got very worked up that day and still won, i don't have him with much to find with the older horses running and am hoping the ground is a leveller and he can step forward again...i don't know why but although i believe the filly to take a world of beating there is questions to answer in regards ground although she is bred to devour it but also a ran just 2 weeks ago so at the price not for me today...
i couldn't have jack hobbs so will have to watch him win on ground he will like... ulysees has always been a keen type so agree with others that i would sooner see him come down in trip and highland reel isn't the same horse on this type of ground money for benbatl and he adds spice to the race but i have never rated him that highly and be interesting to see whether he can step forward up in trip not for me but see the angle |
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very wd winners jeez she is good, we tried to find some value and we got the place but what a good filly she is so no qualms here
sick i haven't got the 6/1 for the arc i might shed a tear  |
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enable murdered the opposition, nice ride from frankie, always makes sure gets a nice position in the race
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Awesome filly, awesome performance and not totally unexpected. Well done Enable and backers
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top class performance especially as she pulled a little early on
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What a filly! I hope Gosden puts her away for the Arc and not runs her in the Yorkshire Oaks - she deserves a long holiday after this. A penalty kick for the Arc given a reasonable draw, I'd think.
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That's your arc winner. As good as she is, think gosden going for the Yorkshire oaks could be a big mistake, 3rd group 1 in 5 weeks is a big ask.
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after consideration I think they will miss York - unless they want to try her in the International
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SHE WILL NOT GET A GOOD DRAW IN THE ARC! Unfortunately.
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I think Gosden calls it the 'rosbif' draw
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She did that very well, the heavy going exagerated the distance - she clearly relished it - as for the Arc, atm she's a worthy favourite as we still don't know what state Almanzor will be in when he turns up, but she needs every inch of 1m4 to be at her best,
Will have to do the sectionals from KG but I think a peak Almanzor would do her for toe in the easy 1m4 at Chantilly. |
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jedi sophie
29 Jul 17 21:53 SHE WILL NOT GET A GOOD DRAW IN THE ARC! Unfortunately. The draw at Chantilly is not as significant as Longchamp, and a poor draw didn't stop Zarkava and Golden Horn winning. Enable is usually ridden up with the pace anyway and even with a negative draw Frankie will take the same GH route. It's her race to lose and a filly/mare has won 5 of the last 9 Arcs. Will Almanzor even run ? |
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Will have to do the sectionals from KG but I think a peak Almanzor would do her for toe in the easy 1m4 at Chantilly.
yesterday's sectionals will be no help in determining if Almanzor might beat her in the Arc. |
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The rain got into the ground really quickly yesterday even on the straight course. The first three races on the straight were run in good ground times but the next two on the straight had slowed down by around a third of a sec per furlong making it good to soft or borderline soft as described. Even though it was expected that the round course would ride slower I was surprised just how sloppy it looked between the start and Swinley Bottom and the times confirm it was proper soft ground out there and even bordering heavy by the time of the last race. I thought Ulysses ran well under those circumstances and can do better again on a quicker surface. Highland Reel might've got away with it on good to soft but never really looked to be going that well on ground as soft as this. He's also had a couple of hard races this year and might be past his best for the season. Jack Hobbs looked to me like he did last time, a horse that needs to be retired.
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If Almanzor does an Air Force Blue or Minding the price of Enable in the Arc could tumble again especially if Brametot does not acquaint himself well in the Irish Champion Stakes. Also, Brametot has not a run over 12f thus not a guarantee stayer over the Arc distance either, unless the Japanese horses are to be reckoned with given local jocks onboard this year.
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yeah I agree with pretty much all of that, Ulysses did run well given the conditions and you were proven right on all accounts regarding those horses, was good forecast up for grabs in that race, you did really like Ulysses for the race before enable was
confirmed. vintage race for me. |
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Bramelot is due to run in the Guillaume d'Ornano at Deauville next (August 15th) whilst stablemate Almanzor is a probable for the Gontaut-Biron on the same day.
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Roadrunner, yes before Enable was announced a runner my original plan was to have a good bet on Ulysses at a much better price than I got for Enable, so I still had a bit of a moan to myself after yesterday's result
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If Almanzor does not win his debut race this season he could do an Air Force Blue, I reckon. But Brametot needs to win to cement his position in the Arc betting market.
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I reckon running JH on very fast ground at R.Ascot very likely hurt him. He did previously suffer a stress fracture of his pelvis after all.
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Very possibly, the PoW was run on near concrete ground and shorter trip. I'd not be surprised if JH is retired post KG if sustaining another injury or recurrence of the old one.
I was very disappointed to hear Gosden reiterated on several occasions on TV the PoW had always been JH's race in spite of Gosden nominating the Hardwicke and KG as his targets post Meydan victory. |
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Roadrunner, yes before Enable was announced a runner my original plan was to have a good bet on Ulysses at a much better price than I got for Enable, so I still had a bit of a moan to myself after yesterday's result
You could have backed him without the fav, at around 6/1 it was a good E/W bet. |
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Jack, didn't expect the price to be as big as that but I didn't even think to look
 . Sometimes I think the second best horse doesn't always finish second if it gets into a battle with either a much faster horse or, as in this case, one carrying much less weight so it's not a bet I always consider but I think I probably would've played it at that price. Must remind myself to check the other markets in future. |
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Thought Ukysses ran a blinder considering the conditions. Would not be at all surprised to s him aimed at the tuft race at del mar...course may not suit but the definite fast ground and his cruising speed will.
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Nice win by Enable and I suppose I must thank JG for running her in the Irish Oaks because that was reason she was such good prices for this race before she was a definite runner.
Jack Hobbs looked a real danger turning in but then dropped right out. I haven't heard anything yet but the way the race was run looked weird. They ignored the pacemaker on the rails and it looked like Moore set a steady pace on Highland Reel with Enable pulling Frankie all over the place then it turned into a sprint up the home straight. None of the also-rans look to have a hope in the Arc if the filly runs. I have seen the race a couple of times today but apart from the winner, the rest is pointless. |
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At last an update for Jack Hobbs from Gosden. Gosden: "Jack Hobbs is in good form and he'll go for the Champion Stakes. He ran brilliantly in Dubai then the ground was too firm at Ascot. He just had a little problem with his hock after the King George in that he had a tiny stress fracture at the top of the cannon bone. He has been off since the King George but hopefully we will get him back for the Champion Stakes."
Finally, a tiny stress fracture has been disclosed? No wonder he has taken a wild walk in the betting for the Arc as if he has lost a leg. Now no chance of running there, and another one of last season's targets ie Arc, missed again. |
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There had to be something wrong. It possibly occurred at Ascot but either never showed up or went unnoticed. It cannot be serious if they are thinking of returning so soon.
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I was expecting an update from Gosden post the dismal run of jack Hobbs in the King George - he stopped 2f out after seemingly going well just a couple of furlongs prior as if he'd been shot; he even finished behind his pacesetter!
Would it not be an irony if he goes and wins the Dubai Sheema Classic again? A punt could be rewarding, I think. |