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Epsom Derby 2017
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certainly don't believe safety has anything to do with this decision - they just didn't want this frivolousness to become the big story of the race
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I doubt that AT. By doing this they're far more likely to create headlines. It's all about safety
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"Safety" in this instance....in my honest...is more the safety of the breed and the result rather than Mangan being a human Beechers Brook
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The steep uphill from the start would have had her out the back almost immediately and not a factor.
They have made it easy for billionaires with last entry for money no other owner could afford. When an owner pays all the entry fees at each stage they bar them. Very poor show. |
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Perhaps an owner will give her a horse in an earlier race on Derby day?
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Not sure I can agree Kinc. I'm all for people having a go..most of my ante-post books rely on it! But this is clearly questionable. Horse has no chance, owner says he's donating all winnings to charity..how benevolent. I suspect he's on safe ground. Now he says she can't run because of loyalty to Mangan. He hadn't even booked Mangan until Michelle Payne fooked him off after she logged on to oddschecker. I don't know the guy at all and I'm sure somewhere beats a good heart but he's taking the piss out of our most important race quite frankly. This isn't rhino suits in the London Marathon.
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If the BHA had accused Doire Lia's owner of being a publicity seeking so-and-so I'd concur with them. However, to deny a female apprentice a ride in the Derby so late in the day on grounds of inexperience and 1st ride at Epsom is wholly unfair, unprofessional, and incompetent; if Ms Mangan had been an O'Brien or related to a high profile stable / connection the BHA would have been all for it ie it would have been good PR for them, for the Epsom Derby and horse racing in general to have a female jockey riding in the Derby any year.
How can one gain experience or be experienced if one has not been given the opportunity to ride more regularly? I think the BHA have shot themselves in the foot again so soon after the debacles concerning one of their former employees a Mr Matthew Lohn; this is discrimination of the highest order by the clueless at the BHA. |
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My slight worry was not the rating of the horse or the ability of the jockey.
My concern was Diore Lia is a filly and colts might lose interest in the race. |
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Possibly, with the enormous £ signs they all carry.
Even an inexperienced female apprentice like Ms Mangan could not have ridden a worse race than Moore did on Minding in the Oaks last year thus the factors contributing to the decision of the BHA to disallow Ms Mangan a ride in this year's Epsom Derby is invalid and wholly a red herring, in my opinion. |
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First he says
"The BHA have told us we cannot have Gina Mangan on board on Saturday and, as such, I’m refusing to run the horse now. Then comes the real reason "We can't get another jockey now and probably no jockey who will accept the ride, so the horse won't be running. Then he says "An awful lot of money was riding on the horse in small bets from all over Britain,” he continued. “All these people are getting let down. The charity is getting let down. They’re not hurting me, they’re hurting other people. Next comes the real gripe "The horse could have run a very good race. A lot of money has gone into this in the last two or three years, only for them to do this to me the day before declarations." |
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you cant even contemplate doing sel without dosage index in this race
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kincsem
31 May 17 05:40 Joined: 12 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 8,456 | Blogger: kincsem's blog I'm looking at what each of the entries has beat in Group races that had placed in a Group race before they met. Horse .......................Beat previous Group placed horses Benbatl.....................Larchmont Lad; War Decree; Rekindling; Syphax; Exemplar Best Solution............Frankuus; Capri; Douglas Macarthur; Taj Mahal; Prinz Hlodowig; D'bai; Rich Legacy; Capri..........................Legitimus; Douglas Macarthur; Taj Mahal; Prinz Hlodowig; Frankuus; D'bai; Rich Legacy; Cliffs Of Moher.........* none * Cracksman................* none * Crowned Eagle..........* none * Diore Lia....................* none * working my way through the field in alphabet order. Cliffs Of Moher and Cracksman have not yet met and beat a horse who previously place in a Group race before they met. Confused (imo) you won't get much argument here kincsem because this involves the top of the market and any argument against these horses is not forth coming...i have enjoyed your posts pal admittedly with not much reply  no rain for best solution not ideal they were expecting much more rain monday but it never came, i'm afraid his chances have been weakened imo on the back of it and a lot of other horses at the same timebrigust1 said earlier in the thread that cliffs of moher would prefer easier ground however me personally think he is the one horse if it is fast will devour the ground...many horses here would worship some cut in the ground and it isn't looking good for them as we stand |
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a good horse goes on any ground, vote LABOUR the real crooks are CONseratives they are all in it together look after themselves sod the rest
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I have to agree with the comments from Kincsem and impossible123 about the jockey, it should be the horse which shouldn't be allowed in not the jockey. The horse is the weak link in the equation. I feel the poor girl has been singled out unfairly she just wanted to give it a go, who wouldn't. I didn't agree with the entry one bit and wanted the horse taken out but on the horse woeful lack of ability not that of who is riding it. They need to amend the rules on the quality of the entry not the jockey. Either you have to have won a maiden of a certain class to win or be placed in a listed race or better.
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i think they expected more than 20 runners this year so that the horse could b balloted out taking the decision away from them it should not run in a class race
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I expect a minimum qualification requirement will be introduced from next year
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Harry I'm not sure who in the top four, at least, in the betting we know would prefer cut. Many of them have run too few times to be dogmatic about anything yet.
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19 Runners in the Derby. Finn McCool the only absentee
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cheers jb they got new jockey now for diore lia
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{Dont know if the decs had been said above ^^. I couldnt face reading through 75 new posts!
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no u the first but I did expect the field always handy to beat the press as with patricia power u can cash out some non runners if u fast
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"The horse is 52 rated. There have been loads of other low-rated horses. She is an improver. She is not going to come last. All I can hope for now is she runs a great race and does me proud."
She improved from getting hammered 28 lengths in a 3.8k Epsom maiden to getting slightly less hammered 18 lengths in a 2.9k Lingfield maiden. What an utter tool. That's the owner not the horse. |
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The S*** C*** is now name dropping Pendleton as an example . He needs to do one .
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The draws for the Derby is out. Any significant draw advantage in this large field, if so, low or high?
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Dubai Thunder will have to be everything they hope he is and a good bit more to win from 1
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Yep,stall one or two usually a big negative.Oath was the last to win from one box.
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From 2009 to 2016 the biggest field was 13.
Now we are back to a normal size Derby field. |
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*except 16 in 2014.
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If so, COM is best drawn of the fancy horses and Dubai Thunder the worst; Permian is in 3; Eminent 4; Cracksman 7; Best Solution 8 with Capri 10. The best drawn is the filly with the most publicity ie Diore Lia in 17. Could Dubai Thunder have been allocated 17 if Diore Lia was an absentee? Too late now!
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I don't think because 1 is bad 19 is good, imp. Kincsem will confirm. Either side not great from memory, best in the middle.
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Anyone got the draw for recent winners (last 10)?
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Moore confirmed for C of M. Heffernan on Capri. C O'D on Douglas M.
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Moore confirmed for C of M. Heffernan on Capri. C O'D on Douglas M.
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well that's a relief, you never know could have read the tea leaves completely wrong with respect to Ryan Moore's ride.
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Re: Diora Lia, more importantly her owner/breeder - what's the odds he was going to deduct the dec fee from the justgiving page ? ... I know some people who run marathons and things will do that (which I think is terrible), but they do.
Last night he had collected around 1k, and maybe just said to hell with this, that's not enough, I'm not paying the dec fee myself !? Hence, up on his high horse .. I promised the ride to Gina and now I'm not running her - btw did anyone see her 'jockeyship' on display in Kempton Wed night, where drawn wide she angled hard to the rail and picked up a 4day suspension, Everyone can sigh a sigh of relief now - Personally I'll be careful of dealing with him if I cross paths (he's not a million miles away in Kilkenny) |
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Weather Warning: Torrential rain feared for Oaks day. Up to 30mm could fall in an hour; the warning is from 1pm to 11pm; it is localised and Epsom could either get or not get it, apparently.
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wow,
Aylward bred Diore Lia, who will carry the colours of his sister Mary Todd, and said he did not want to give up on his dream with money already pledged on a Just Giving page which on Thursday had risen to £311. "How could I stop the horse running when there have been donations coming from America," he said. "The charity is the number one. That's why I started this over a year ago. They're not stopping us running over this. "Poor Gina has been crying up in the yard. I'm disgusted with the BHA for what they have done. It was okay for Victoria Pendleton to go round Cheltenham after riding a bike all her life. It's elitist. "The horse is 52 rated. There have been loads of other low rated horses. She's an improver. She's not going to come last. All I can hope for now is she runs a great race and does me proud." Endorsing Pilley's participation BHA chief regulatory officer Jamie Stier said: "The BHA considers it appropriate to accept the declaration of Patrick Pilley to take the ride on Diore Lia in the Derby. "Mr Pilley's experience as an apprentice jockey includes over 450 rides and 39 winners, plus four rides at Epsom. "He has been given a positive reference by his trainer, Roger Charlton, as to his ability, temperament, and suitability to take part in the Derby, alongside his BHA jockey coach, John Reid." |
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Pilley added: "I will be trying to give her a good ride and try to achieve the best possible result. I won't be interfering with anyone, that's for sure.
I'm sure that's all the BHA wanted to hear from Mangan. |