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Epsom Derby 2017
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I laid him at 70 last week when I thought he was France bound but backed him at 50 today for the same stake. And now he is fav for the Leger. If only I knew prior...........
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Good lad
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It could have been so much worse for you
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Oh yes, I took 50 but believed he drifted out to 95 and more here. Because of that I chose Venice Beach (Donnacha) instead of Wings Of Eagles whose jockey (Beggy) I backed in the Irish 1000G (Hydrangea) for a fore/tricast combi with Eminent, Cracksman, Cliffs of Moher and Khalidi; the fore/tri combi for a 40/1 winner with 5/1 and 7/2 for 10p paid £223.80 and £921.34p respectively.
Anyway, well done to jockey Beggy as his cut of £921.5k winning prize is probably equivalent to a year's remuneration. |
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Went to 100/1 on here. There comes a point where the price was just ridiculous for its chances. Whose the clown now Jedi Sophie.
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It is most disappointing for COM backers to be beaten by an unfancied horse from the same yard
Sure is, although as punters we can't complain they weren't all trying. I imagine if I was part of the ownership, however, I'd feel like I shot myself in the bollocks . Wonder if they'll continue with this strategy in future. |
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The operation is set. The days when the defeat of El Gran Señor was a serious blow to there plans has long gone. As long as they win and keep the Sheikh in his little box screaming to get out, they will be well pleased. Another masterclass from Aidan and his band of merry men. They are the best by a street.
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It was a ridiculous price (here) just because there was money for Venice Beach.
How good is this renewal despite the winning time was 1.4 secs quicker than standard? Inconclusive, is my opinion, but Eminent ran well despite the ground was a touch too quick for him; he also came from some way back (12th) unlike the 2nd and 3rd who had every chance but did not quite (seem) to see out the trip. Very interesting if the 1st 4 take on one another again in the Irish Oaks next Month on ground with a bit of juice. I cannot say the same result will prevail. |
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Give the winner some credit. He hardly had an interrupted run and the jockey had to pull him about to get a run. Would have won by 3 lengths if a clear run and won going away in a good time.
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As long as they win and keep the Sheikh in his little box screaming to get out, they will be well pleased
Well they're not exactly going to be suicidal after bagging first and second in a Derby but they're obviously far less pleased than if the result had been the other way around. As anyone would be. O'Brien still insisted on talking up the 2nd over the winner. |
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COM no superstar by their standards is he?
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COM no superstar by their standards is he?
Obviously not after being beaten by their 40/1 rag. But after what would've looked an impressive winning run coming from near last to first and beating the other form horses they could've talked him up and passed him off as one, which is what matters to them. |
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Pathetic aftertiming from Try My Best and impossible123.
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See the other thread dickhead. How much you lose
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You've never backed a 100/1 winer in your life. I had Qualify as well Sankara which makes 2. 341 posts. Haha a true racing fanatic
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my view on the race is ryan moore, is crap around Epsom, he has his horse in virtually last place, and uses up all the petrol getting to the front. frankie gave his horse a great ride and gave supporters good run for their money.
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Come on the runner up has done nothing wrong. Sweated up badly before the race and just got a bit tired. Ryan did nothing wrong. Cracksman never going imo and did well to finish where he did. 3/1 dear oh dear what a shambolic price for cracksman
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Point proved.
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obviously a COM backer. You blaming Moore for losing your dough Sankara. Please enlighten us on the ride
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Sankara...you are pathetic. I laid the winner at 70 (here) on 18th May at 15:15 and backed him at 50 yesterday at 19:16.
AOB has suggested the winner and the 2nd could go for the Irish equivalent if the boys agree, and the jockey of the 4th Eminent has told the trainer to go there too on 1st July; if so, interesting,...a smaller field on softer ground could mean a different result likely, in my opinion. |
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Don't bother with the loser. I know Figgis was keen on COM and others but not bleating about the result. Why? The best horse on the day won comfortably
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Get your loan application in Sankara to replace the shitload that you lost today.
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what's eric_morris' username these days?
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The winner won fair and square so no complaints on that score. As for the quality of the race I have it as poor. They went a fast pace but the overall time performance is still quite mediocre for a Derby. The leaders were treading water towards the end and the winner picked them off. Going into the race I thought CoM was just about good enough to win a moderate Derby if he stayed well enough. He almost pulled it off and while I certainly wouldn't say he was a non stayer it was quite obvious he'd had enough in the last few yards, but that was always the risk.
Even though the winner won it on merit I wouldn't back him at a short price to repeat the feat. I can't see him having the pace to win a race run at a slightly less frenetic pace, well he's never shown it before anyway. As to which horse to take from the race I wouldn't want to back any of them at a short price. Maybe one of them can improve again in the near future but I wouldn't be confident which. What I am confident of is that the Oaks winner put up a better performance than the Derby winner and I think connections should really consider having a crack at the colts if she comes out of the race well. |
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will be interesting to see the sectionals they may have gone way too fast for a furlong or two at some point leaving many out of gas
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A fair summary Fig
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Hope they aim Eminent at the Eclipse instead - tailor made for him imo.
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Hope they aim Eminent st the Eclipse - tailor made for him imo.
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the anvil and douglas the sacrificial lambs today.
wings of eagles (well named given the way he flew home) clearly wasn't regarded in the same light by "the boys" ul figgis since you picked out a cracking bet. thought that was the only one to take out of the race and I'm sure he'll reverse placings with the winner if they meet again. |
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A cracking bet that lost . u lot make me laugh. Not a good word to say about the winner. U couldn't make it up.
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LR, possibly he will but I wouldn't be totally confident. Not because I don't think he has the ability, more because you never know how they'll come out of a race run like that. Running a similar style race took a lot out of USAR last year and actually I have rated last year's winner better than this year's. He could turn out to be a better horse over 10f but I'm probably going to pass on him (and the other placed runners) in future unless I see any of them improve on this form.
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Thing is if WoE had finished nowhere I guarantee we wouldn't have seen anyone pop up on this thread to claim backing him
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typical figs trying to fashion an argument that he was right when he wasn't. FFS you lot should be committed. I stand by that cos you neither have the good grace or intelligence to admit when you are wrong . A cracking bet that lost. What a set a losers you lot are. Cantt remember the last time that Fig backed a big race winner with all his time bullshat. I said your summary was fair, U lost be still want to make people think u won. Dear oh dear
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typical figs trying to fashion an argument that he was right
Where did I say I was right? And where is your post about this cracking 100/1 shot before the race? |
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see the other thread numpty. I backed eminent and the winner. The white van is coming around for you and brigust. The asylum awaits
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see the other thread
Ah, the 'other' thread, I see |
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go and do your speed figures for the next redcar seller thats coming up. I cannot believe that a true racing fan would disregard the winner of the Derby so readily cos he didn't back it. Praise the winner cos he was better value than the winning distance suggests.
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I cannot believe that a true racing fan would disregard the winner of the Derby so readily cos he didn't back it
Strange, as you seemed to accept it only twenty minutes ago A fair summary Fig |
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and then you wanted to have a dig at somebody whose arguments have turned out to be correct. Just say well done in future and I will do the same the next time you might have a winner in the distant future. Every pig finds an an acorn so I will have to accept that you might stumble across one in the next couple of years.
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and then you wanted to have a dig at somebody whose arguments have turned out to be correct
If you'd posted your 'arguments' on this thread (the Derby thread that we've all been discussing the race on) before the race then I'd have happily said well done. As you didn't then don't pathetically expect everyone to congratulate you on your convenient aftertiming |