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~~ Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 2016 ~~

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impossible123
When: 09 Oct 16 12:59
The chair was Cattermole and the panels comprised Jim McGrath (Australian) plus another Jim and another whose name escaped me - they were clearly alluding/hinting to the financial costs to 'Coolmore' with Highland Reel and Order Of St George finishing 2nd and 3rd respectively.
By:
The Headmaster
When: 09 Oct 16 13:48
They're talking absolute bollox Imp.  The Arc has never been a stallion-making race, certainly not for Coolmore anyway.  HR didn't win a European turf G1 at 2 or 3, which is pretty essential if you're trying to make a stallion.  Coolmore are also overloaded with sons of Galileo. If Found hadn't run and he won the race it would barely have caused a ripple in his stallion fee.  It's possible/probable he won't even stand in Europe when he retires.  Order Of St George is clearly going to be Coolmore Aus or NH. They've lost nothing.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 09 Oct 16 13:51
Highland Reel or Order Of St.George winning the Arc would have had little impact on their stud value imo. Both are too exposed and don't have a sexy profile - was Marienbard suddenly a hot stallion prospect after his shock win?

If Harzand had won that would have been a very different story.
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Oct 16 14:20
I understand, it was not Us Army Ranger who finished 2nd, was it? It just goes to show the depth of all round horse/breeding knowledge of some of these panel participants.
By:
A_T
When: 09 Oct 16 14:41
an Arc win might have made them attractive for an overseas buyer maybe the Japanese (with Coolmore retaining a stake, of course Wink )
By:
Sandown
When: 10 Oct 16 09:49
I think that if I was in Magnier's shoes I would be pretty pleased with the result.

1. Coolmore 1-2-3 in the most prestigious middle distance turf race in the world confirming their status as the world's top breeders by a mile

2. Galileo 1-2-3 ditto as world's top turf stallion

3. History making effort wont harm their prospects of attracting more of biggest bloodstock investors around the world

4. Prizemoney will pay for a few expenses

5. Confirmed AOB's status as the most prolific G1 winning trainer in the world - past or present


I'm sure that the result exceeded their wildest expectations.
By:
kincsem
When: 10 Oct 16 15:31
I did a bit of searching a while back and learned that about 10 Arc winners were sold to Japan.
If a colt won he would be going there imo.  I'm guessing Highland Reel will go to Japan.
By:
kincsem
When: 10 Oct 16 16:06
I went through my big Arc book and learned that the 1,2 was done before by a trainer, and the 1,2 done by a stallion, and strangely the 1,2 done by a dam (everyone mentions the sire, nobody mentions the dam).
How many times has a trainer entered three in the race that were all running on their merits not one as a pacemaker?
How many times has there been three or more runners by the one sire?
The 1,2,3 in 2016 might be the first time it was attempted by a trainer (or stallion), and although headline grabbing it might not merit the attention it is given.
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