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*** PADDY POWER GOLD CUP, CHELTENHAM NOV 2015 ***

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By:
buddeliea
When: 14 Nov 15 07:26
I have no problem with a competitive handicap,it's the PP gold cup and I enjoy watching it every year.
Just don't think any of these are what I would call a class horse.......I don't see any of them competitive in a Ryanair for example.
Just my opinion. I may get proved wrong by one or two in time.
By:
SOULDANCER
When: 14 Nov 15 09:22
Very hopeful for John's Spirit got the softish ground I wanted, Jonjo reckons it's the best he's had him. Hope he's right. Does look a classier race than last year, whether they are particularly well handicapped is another thing.
By:
FELTFAIR
When: 14 Nov 15 11:31
Backed Johns Spirit each way.
By:
Autocue
When: 14 Nov 15 11:50
I'm always looking for a second season chaser who appears well weighted. I think Irish Cavalier's festival win was solid form and note that Generous Ransom has a 15lb pull for a 3 length defeat. On trials day he had beaten Irish Cavalier a neck and 2 lengths receiving 7lb on softer ground (value for more as he nearly came to a halt after a mistake at the last). Today he receives 16lb. I would imagine the Paddy Power was targeted after the trials day victory as the race will hold fond memories for the trainer and he has aimed his better horses at it in the past. On that basis I'm prepared to forgive the poor showing in the prep run over hurdles on the basis that it was just to bring him on. Gifford said he was pleased with ride Paddy gave him that day. Good value at the widely available 20/1 imo.
By:
buddeliea
When: 14 Nov 15 13:44
Boondouma for me, with Bennys mist as an ew outsider
By:
CVByrne
When: 14 Nov 15 14:40
Gutted tbh. Buywise, if only he could Jump Cry
By:
sageform
When: 14 Nov 15 14:46
Gutted that Irish Cavalier didn't quite stay in the ground. Whenever I take a good price like 22/1 they never win.
By:
shockster
When: 14 Nov 15 14:50
Buywise didn't jump great, but think he'd still have won if he hadn't had to switch after the last.
By:
GI MAC
When: 14 Nov 15 14:51
It was only January this year that Annacotty won a chase off a mark of 144 on soft ground over the old course over 2m5f. He was running off 147 here and is only a 7yo so not really a surprise he's shown some progression. By Beneficial so soft ground shows him at his best.

I had him down as exposed, not anymore. Hindsight is a great.
By:
sintonian
When: 14 Nov 15 14:52
Kings Palace gone. Rancid price today.
By:
sintonian
When: 14 Nov 15 14:53
He's gone from a sh1t trainer to a good one, GI.
By:
Facts
When: 14 Nov 15 14:53
Boondooma  - very disappointing Sad
By:
KipperRSA
When: 14 Nov 15 14:53
I fancied annacotty for a while, backed it today but thought the writing was on the wall until the end !
By:
CVByrne
When: 14 Nov 15 14:57
Have to say, I didn't even consider Anacotty for the same reason GI, treated him like Sound Investment or Cloud Creeper, exposed. I also completely missed he'd moved trainer
By:
buddeliea
When: 14 Nov 15 15:32
Don't think the standing start helped Boondouma,went off about 8th,not good for a front runner.
By:
SOULDANCER
When: 14 Nov 15 16:28
Johns Spirit travelled well enough but had no response when asked. Perhaps they should have put claimer on Sound Investment, but I think him only going up 4lb meant they didn't need it.
By:
__O1
When: 14 Nov 15 17:54
As anticipated Buywise was massive in running and stormed up the hill to beat all but one.  However as he went very short in running all is well in the household tonight.  The winner touched 360 as well.
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 14 Nov 15 19:41
cant understand the ride on KP surley should have been delivered to lead at the last
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 14 Nov 15 21:04
Actually a bit of hindsight - that was a really tough race... you can run that race again and think you would get a different result...

Learnt a few things today

- Johns Spirit - is not the same horse as last season
- Kings Palace is a 3 miler
- Pipe is not on form at all 4 strong fancies all beaten
- Boondooma - If this race was the target then they kicked themselves in the teeth in picking up that penalty lto
- Buywise will always find one too good... maybe they should up him up in distance, considering how far back he comes

What I didn't learn

- Present View - how sad was left behind.. never got to see what the blinkers effect would have had

But yeah wasn't gutted losing - just one of those races...
By:
unclepuncle
When: 14 Nov 15 21:44
Nowhere near with any of my bets today - been in shocking form since the Arc.Cry

If I had to take one horse out of today's race it would be Monetaire who, given the shocking form of the Pipe stable,  ran well enough until hitting the last. Hopefully he'll be a decent price next time.
By:
tim6
When: 14 Nov 15 21:51
with you on that uncle couldn't pick my nose today FFS
By:
nocturnal
When: 15 Nov 15 00:38
Well done to winners

Some good points Iris,Present View is the mystery,just wonder if the blinkers were for the wrong reason,i:e temperament,like to see him go left handed over 3m on better ground,fine jumper normally.
Art Mauresque... ran a cracker,only 5,on ground possibly softer than ideal,lovely prospect, in the right hands,interesting to see when and where he goes next.
Irish Cavalier....not sure what to make of that,trainer said he wanted 3m and better ground after his festival win,travelled like a dream today,another with bags scope,was todays race an afterthought? If the trainer has him right,serious horse on todays performance,could be difficult to place.
By:
sageform
When: 15 Nov 15 08:27
There are yards that are right out of form at the moment and no riding tactics would make much difference. There was a doubt about Kings Palce right up to declkaration time so may be they had doubts about him anyway. The Henderson chasing nightmare continued with Cocktails at Dawn tailed off. Lets see whether Sprinter Sacre runs today.
By:
sageform
When: 15 Nov 15 08:31
The horse that comes out with the most credit from the PP was not even a runner. Wishful Thinking divided Sound Investment and Buywise at Aintree and must be as good as ever. The Peterborough chase or some other valuable 2.5 mile condition chase must be on the cards for him soon.
By:
jodean
When: 15 Nov 15 09:43
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By:
CVByrne
When: 15 Nov 15 11:47
Irish Cavalier emptied very quickly, he could have choked.
By:
luckyme
When: 15 Nov 15 19:01
Lads Buywise did better than we think, have a look at replay, the horse slipped on false ground coming around the bend and nearly came down, Moloney must have had to nurse him back into the race to get his confidence back,
By:
CVByrne
When: 15 Nov 15 19:14
Horse is cursed.
By:
pipedreamer
When: 15 Nov 15 21:58
Harry,know what i mean,now?
By:
Facts
When: 16 Nov 15 14:59
Boondooms's trainer had stated before the race, that they would try to settle him, as he had been quite headstrong in winning his last race. And by getting him to settle would help with the trip too.

In hindsight I think it would have been better to have let the horse have his head and allow him to run his own race. Being restrained probably caused him to sulk, as he never showed at any stage.
By:
PJay
When: 16 Nov 15 15:45
Boondooma returned slightly lame.

Re Buywise: the race was always going to be run to suit. Loads of pace horses, the ground to slow them up and strong headwinds down the straight. He'll likely never have such an opportunity again.
By:
Facts
When: 16 Nov 15 16:55
Thanks PJay. Probably explains his poor showing.
By:
sageform
When: 16 Nov 15 19:08
Kennedy might be OK in low key races but his efforts on class horses have been very poor. Ballyalton doesn't seem to jump for him afetr 2 efforts.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 01 Dec 15 10:45
Morning chaps... can anyone help me please with a bet query. When did Paddy Power start paying 5 places... wasnt just on the day was it?
By:
luckyme
When: 01 Dec 15 19:14
I think its only the morning of the race, does not apply to ante post bets according to a mate of mine who handed his docket in and it was returned to him with above reply
By:
Tucho
When: 02 Dec 15 06:15
The place terms are usually on your betting slip if it's an online bet so I'm assuming you're asking about a shop bet.

They never stop banging on about their promos on twitter so it's pretty useful if you need to go back and check. I searched using the phrase "5 places paddy power gold cup" and looking through their official twitter feed on 'paddypowershops' the earliest mention I can see is in the early hours of November 11th, which was the Wednesday before the race.

https://twitter.com/PaddyPowerShops/status/664368769905635328

They say they have a 2nd place freebet offer lasting all 3 days at Cheltenham and mention 5 places in the same post. They say 2nd place freebet applies to all bets placed from Thursday but they are not clear when the 5 places starts. It must apply from at least the Thursday, but it could be earlier. The post implies 5 place offer has already begun imo.

The first overall mention comes on Tuesday November 10th on an account called 'myracingtips', and some random bloke replies to them and posts a screenshot of his online bet and it shows them already offering 5 places.

https://twitter.com/Gogzy25/status/664179523987091456

So to answer your question, it definitely was not just for bets placed on the Saturday, either in store or online. If you bet on the Thurs, Fri or Sat you should have got 5 places. If you bet on the Tue or Wed I'd be a lot less hopeful but it's possible they were 5 places.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 02 Dec 15 10:37
Thanks lads. No it was with a private bookie! Cheers
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 02 Dec 15 10:39
Placed the bet on Tuesday morning and was sure they were five at the time but cent find proof and didn't mention it when I placed it.
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