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Yeah, he would have been. But something keeps telling me in my head, remember dear old Synchronised and how convinced i was he was just a handicapper, cost me a small fortune when he wont his gold cup
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sageform, isnt it insulting peoples inteligence to expect a doubtful stayer not only to stay 3 miles but then show his 2 miles speed at the end of it,far more likely he,ll be 0ut on his feet in the final 200 yds,like asking asking ben johnson to run 10 secs for the final 100 in a 400m race
we here this every year regarding 2 and 2 m 4f horses, azertyup,captain chris looked like trotting up till outstayed near the line, flatter speedier track some might say puts more pressure on a horses stamina |
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doubtful stayer?
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turftrax says currently 5.2 on the chase course, that is definitely soft rather than good/soft.
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turtrax reading is exactly the same as last year, chase course 5.2 and hurdle 4.7 - last year was soft heavy in places but this year with the very same reading it is good/soft soft in places.
this reading was taken at 15.45 friday 19th |
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i agree bonnie - is the reading from where they are saying it is soft? or is that area softer not easy to read
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it was 4.7 at the last meeting which was described as soft
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i'm fairly sure 4.7 is heavy, didn't someone on here describe the going at the last meeting as "bog like" ??
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not according to the racing post on the day but the winners we're all mud larks
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1st time poster, who knows how well Al Ferof will stay. He won the supreme in the final stride, trotted up in the PP over 2.5 and is entitled to stay 3 miles plus. If the ulcers they say he had last year caused his loss of form then I am happy to judge him on the 2 runs above and Ascot last month. If it is very testing ground then I would not fancy him.
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alf had grade 4 ulcers, lets take a look at what happens.....
In the last few years the recognition of equine gastric ulcer syndrome (EGUS) has become more commonly identified amongst the horse population with the greater accessibility of video gastroscopy. It has been a difficult condition to identify by its clinical signs as they are not unique to EGUS and are often subtle. It is however a significant disorder affecting performance, appetite and temperament. The incidence in racehorses has been found to be over 80% and in competition horses up to 70%. It is the most common disease of horses but still greatly under-diagnosed. Following treatment most horses show a big improvement in performance (improved placing of horses/wins in races), better temperament (decreased bucking, more placid under saddle, less aggression), better appetite and improved condition Clinical Signs As mentioned above the clinical signs are variable and often subtle and may well be shared with a number of other conditions. The symptoms may include one or more of the following symptoms: ◾Poor performance ◾Reduced appetite ◾Altered temperament – difficult to ride, bucking, refusing at jumps ◾Weight loss ◾Teeth grinding ◾Colic ◾Diarrhoea ◾Crib biting ◾Back pain ◾Peritonitis and death DIAGNOSIS The only accurate method of diagnosis and monitoring of the condition is by gastroscopy. Patients should be starved for 12 hours before this procedure and their water supply should be removed 4 hours beforehand. During the examination the horse’s oesophagus, stomach and proximal duodenum are visualised and inspected. Ulceration is graded on a scale of 1 to 4 with 1 being mild thickening only to 4 being deep widespread ulcers. Bleeding does not relate to the depth or the severity of the ulcer. It is important to assess the stomach by gastroscopy, to confirm the presence of ulcers to avoid treating unnecessarily looking at the facts I think alf ran admirably last year whilst dealing with these problems and I think we will see a diferent horse this year  |
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Thank you allegged22. Grade 4 ulcers? What is the scale please?
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Ulceration is graded on a scale of 1 to 4 with 1 being mild thickening only to 4 being deep widespread ulcers.
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Many thanks Sir.
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I think anyone thinking of backing Al Ferof should definitely wait till the day,the going will be crucial for his chances.
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in regards al ferof - i wonder how long he has been suffering with these ulcers? if he does back up in the george it will beg the question how long had he been suffering... if he doesn't back up, me personally know i have read him right, whereas if he does improve it will explain his massive dips in form...judging by the comments by the owner i just wonder whether he has been suffering for a while so in which case it makes him a different contender than usual...
can al ferof do it  ? i hope so, he will certainly deserve it if it has been the ulcers that have been holding him back...the george will tell us the answers...he has gone on all types of ground but the forecast looks ok for him |
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Alleged22, are you at liberty to give any information regarding Silvia's ulcers, please?
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has SC had them I don,t know mate, I do know there were a number of horses in the stable that had them of varying degrees
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Really decent weather forecast next week, which after a dry, sunny windy weekend should mean the going is fairly decent.by post time.
Have had to have a nibble on Cue Card @ 10/1. |
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tightest king george betting heat in memory for me...every runner appears to have claims even into the rags
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Surely all ferof can't win without ruby on board and the fact wm brings over fever to win
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Agree this is a very tight King George I'm pleased to see wishful thinking given his chance had £2 at 400 on here and he has had a cracking season and deserves a shot at this...... Of the more likely ones I can't leave cue card untouched at 10's he has questions to answer but hopefully he can get back to his best
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The forecast for Kempton is largely dry, and conditions now appear unlikely to ride as testing as a year ago when they suited Silviniaco Conti well.
Clerk of the course Barney Clifford said: "If it stayed dry it would be very much good to soft and better in places for the King George. It does turn cooler into Christmas Day but the minimum temperatures would be 2C." |
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Better ground should suit Dynaste given he is possibly better over a shorter trip. Hopefully he atleast places.
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my confidence in conti is diminishing with every drying moment !!!
however, conti did win the 3 miler at aintree on good ground, i would just be so much more confident on softish ground. i could trade out, but where's the fun in that ??!!!?? |
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drying ground? it rained over night for god;s sake!
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no rain forecast now...should be a lovely day if your going, sunny on the big day
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The forecast for Kempton is largely dry, and conditions now appear unlikely to ride as testing as a year ago when they suited Silviniaco Conti well.
Clerk of the course Barney Clifford said: "If it stayed dry it would be very much good to soft and better in places for the King George. It does turn cooler into Christmas Day but the minimum temperatures would be 2C." |
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greedisgood - do you live in the kempton park area ?, just wondering how you know about overnight rain ? - there is rain forecast overnight on Tues, hopefully plenty of it !!!!!!!
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I agree Judorick....I am very interested to see Cue Card run. Now that the ground will be better than last year it would be no surprise were he to win....if he doesn't perform than it will be obvious he is not the same horse.
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have backed cue card ,seemingly not at his best so far this season when to be fair the stable were not doing to well ,Kempton on decent ground should suit a lot better than last years event on testing ground where he looked to have everything cooked 2 out only to weaken just before the last when worn down by the stronger stayer silviniaco conte , he has had 2 runs to blow the cobwebs away and if jumping well from the front could have a lot of these in trouble before the home turn ,tizz has said he feels he is in better shape this time than going into the race last year and at around 7sor 8s on here and a similar price with the books he looks to have a decent chance and should trade a lot shorter in running .
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Going Update: Good to Soft, Soft on Bend Adjacent to Lake (Going Stick: Chase 5.8; Hurdle 5.6 on Monday at 14:45)
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Conti defo the one to beat. GS/G should be fine for him
Dynaste is a horse I can never get on. When I back it it loses, when I dont back it it wins. Cue Card is a horse I really like, he's come back a bit under par, which is expected however he could be up there an abouts if he gets decent ground |
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I'm going to back Cue Card here again I think
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there will be no excuses regarding the surface, it should be perfect winter jumping ground for everyone
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Every horse than ran behind Champagne Fever last time out (giving him weight) had their handicap rating dropped to something nearer their true mark. All of them were beaten out of sight in their next races, suggesting the handicapper neads to let up a little more, in turn suggesting only a mad fever ridden lunatic would back him at 3/1 agaist proven horses.
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In fairness to the official handicapper, he has him on 158. Few would have Champagne Fever lower than that.
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seems rather inflated to me but what do I know
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So where would you perch him? And why? Just out of interest.
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