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i'm all over conti at 5s, hoping it will pay for my festival week !!!!!!
i can see the race falling apart in terms of quality opposition.
i can see the race falling apart in terms of quality opposition.
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could see champaigne fever lobbing around in front and loving it around here
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Certainly a very interesting season ahead with the staying chasers this season. Champagne fever up in trip and the new kid on the block Holywell surprising many, and he improved with the blinkers like he did over hurdles so some may have seen it coming and he and Champagne Fever are open to even more improvement, especially Champagne Fever now up in trip which he has been crying out for.
However i like both of those for the Gold Cup, i feel that Simonsig is the one for the King George. Henderson has said he is more forward than most of his, due to him being back in training early after his splint issue. To be honest i cannot wait to see him in the KG. |
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Cue Card for me at current prices. Something amiss last year before the last, then he kept on again. He's had a breathing op, which may have sorted the problem. 8/1 seems good value to me.
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Think this race is made for Dynaste tbh. Pulled muscles in his back in last years renewal so ignore that.
Bonnie, why do you thin the race is going to cut up in quality? as far as we know the front 5 in the market are intended runners at the moment, with possible exception of Champagne Fever as you never know with Mullins. |
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both cue card and simonsig are coming back from injuries, the irish rarely send their best horses to kemptons xmas meeting, conti is pretty much the best staying chaser in england (except at chelt), nicholls will have him bang on for the day.
topping up the ante post this weekend !!!!!!!!!! |
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Yes they are coming back from injuries but are now in the clear and will run. Simonsig is bouncing at home, he only had a bone chip removed and Cue Card had a common stress fracture which naturally heals with time( Sire De Grugy had the same problem before last season ). It`s not as though they have tendon issues.
Also if you look at the betting there is only one likely Irish challenger. Champagne Fever, if he doesn`t go the race will not really be cut up. Of course the market leaders will more than likely be shorter on the day but it`s not just Conti. I think Simonsig will be around the 7/2 mark. Thing is with Conti, when is he going to fall out of love with the game because he has had to dig very deep on numerous occasions. You could say he is battle hardened but i`m not sure he can keep on doing it. He didn`t finish his race off in the Gold Cup and he was wandering about in the Bowl but dug it out. |
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the gold cup run is irrelevant in terms of the king george - have you ever been to prestbury and seen that hill ????????
the aintree run was as brave as, coming only a few weeks after the festival. conti will go into the king george spot on after a prep in the betfair chase. conti picked up cue card and carried him home last year, nicholls once again getting a horse spot on when it really matters. will simonsig get the 3 miles, i've got massive doubts tbh. |
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Will Simonsig get 3 miles? i have no doubts he will, a winning 2m5f hurdler at the festival and have you seen that hill?
 Also the PTP wins over 3 miles suggest he will, although admittedly against vastly inferior animals, but his impressive win over 2.5m at Aintree suggests the step up is a natural progression and also Kempton can be too sharp for many true 3 milers. Obviously if it was soft ground i would give Conti and leading chance. The ground made it a real stamina test last year, Conti guts and Cue Card faultering got him there. On decent ground i can see it being very different, with Conto being outpaced when it quickens up, all the horse does is stay. |
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can you see it being anything other than a real stamina test on soft ground ?
i can't !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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To put the going into perspective it was never any worse than good/soft on each of Kauto Stars visits to Kempton. The last two renewals have been on heavy and soft, so how do you price up the going?
Good - Good/Soft 1/2 Soft - Heavy 6/4 |
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Captain Chris for me. Missed last year with a minor injury and subsequently hacked up in his next 2 races. Lightly raced for a 10 year old and would
have beat Cue Card IMO but for a dire mistake 2 out at Ascot. Has been 2nd & 3rd in the race and can't see him out of the frame. Reckon Boston Bob could run well and Simonsig obvious danger if back to his best |
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Captain Chris wont be ready to run in KG
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Hi BJG. I'm not questioning you but would be nice to know where you heard that. Done me dough last year AP, looks like I have done it again. Thanks
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According to Hobbs on his Twitter page 17th Oct Captain Chris is back at Sandhill and in fine form looking great.
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Seemed to run better than ever last year ,why did he miss the KG and GC ? cant remember
 Ran a race full of promise in the peterbourgh and then missed the kg ,Won at kemp over 20f and then won the Ascot chase(21.5f) where he looked improved. nice horse and only ten |
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feel the 10-1 now available on silviniaco conti is a fair price,looked big to me at wetherby,traveled and jumped well until looking to blow up.
big run in the betfair and he will be back to half the price at least,sounds good in theory anyway. |
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True enough. Although if it is not soft at Kempton he gets done for pace again once it quickens up or once Simonsig quickens up.
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I find it interesting that PFN is training Silvio for the Betfair Chase this season and not the King George. He must feel he is more of a stayer as there was an element of him picking up the pieces of a strong pace in last years King George. I still think 10/1 about Dynaste is the best value. There is not much between him and Silvio on Aintree form and the short trip around Kempton will suit him better.
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bugger, i missed that, where did nicholls say that conti is being trained for haydock rather than kempton ?
expensive mistake on my part !!!!!! |
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Nicholls thinks that Silvi wasn't fit for the Betfair last season, so he wanted to get a run into beforehand this time round. I don't think he considers it more important than the King George however, and I'm sure that will still be his primary aim.
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Nicholls knows that Conti needs soft ground at Kempton, no point taking the Betfair Chase prize lightly this year.
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He will be trained to try and win both (if good enough) races Bonnie, not sure what Sint is on about. Just fishing probably.
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Find it hard to believe a horse would be trained for the Betfair chase rather than the KG,and the fact hes the reigning champ just adds to it.
Would imagine he will be cherry ripe come boxing day. |
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Giddy 27 Oct 14 21:26
Hi BJG. I'm not questioning you but would be nice to know where you heard that. Done me dough last year AP, looks like I have done it again. Thanks Just seein this now “He had a minor injury after he won at Ascot in February and as a result probably won be back again until taking his chance in that Grade 1 Chase over two miles and five furlongs again next February. He is probably not going to have that much racing this season but is at the top end and one of the best horses we have ever trained.” From his stable tour |
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Not fishing, fact is PFN is changing the race schedule for SC this year. There has to be a reason for it. Maybe because Simonsig is back? Who knows. That's my take on it anyway...that he is being trained for Haydock primarily as this years renewal will be tougher.
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Maybe PFN thinks if he had had a prep run before the Betfair last year he may have won both races.
Do not know why you think he can not run up to his best in both races. |
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I never said that.
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Thanks BJG
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SC improved from 173 to 179 between the Betfair and King George and Cue Card regressed from 180 to 176 (according to RPR)
the King George struck me as highly unsatisfactory and I was not surprised to find later that CC had injured himself, so I don't see SC as a likely winner of the King George this time round if the others run to their best I've bet Dynaste at 6s for the Betfair, 10s for the KG and 33s for the Gold Cup as he might make enough improvement in his second season out of novice company to reverse form with Cue Card (his run last year was his first in his second season as a chaser). Fancy both to beat Silviniaco Conti at Haydock and both will be shorter in the market come Boxing Day anyway, leave you to it, just adding my tuppence worth |
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So we have a horse that's been off the track with injury since March 13, and has never been 3m on the track...as Fav!!
Not saying he cannot do it,he obviously has class, but hard to back him imo, 6/1?? |
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Eduard does interest me,seems improved?
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So we have a horse that's been off the track with injury since March 13, and has never been 3m on the track...as Fav!!
crazy aint it  |
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yep
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Simonsig - 3m PTP winner however - twice
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Thought Boston Bob myself but beaten the other day, along with Taquin Du Seuil. Anyone know what the likely chances are of the latter lining up, please? (Could be the Paddy Power Gold Cup or the Betfair Chase first?)
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Be interesting to see Simonsig back on the track.
Would need to have settled down a gd bit to get 3miles. Certainly looked all speed as a nov ch when winning the Arkle in 2013. Would need to be running soon if going for the KG on boxing day. |
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there could be a shake up in the market should CF win well tomorrow
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Champagne Fever just won the Clonmel Grade 2 but his jumping is still iffy. Against better opposition and a better pace i'd be worried about him clouting one tbh.
Taken some 10/1 on Dynaste ew. |