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King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
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Seeing as she seemed to need every yard of the 12f at York it's strange to see her dropped to a mile.
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Yes, that too, plus to me she looked to have quite a hard race at York.
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Not sure what they were thinking of.
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As I stated to dear old Brigust before he went off at people for daring to suggest Australia would running in the Irish Derby and not the Eclipse, Irish trainers support Irish races.. that's why Tapestry was running over 1 mile.
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I agree the facts show AOB is supporting Irish racing at the expense of his horses in the hope that he and Coolmore are recognised as some kind of saints. While in actual fact they is standing on the heads of the Irish while pretending to drag them out of the water. Coolmore is worse for Irish racing than anywhere else so why not put their weight behind it? They run their horses half fit (the list is endless), on the wrong ground (Magician) and over the wrong trips (Tapestry) just to support Irish racing. What a crock of crap. No other trainer would waste their bullets in the same way. Camelot never got over the heavy ground in the Irish Derby, Magician hasn't shown any form since and we will have to wait and see what it has done to Tapestry who is supposed to be fragile at best.
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I heard the post race comments on tv that Tapestry was beaten because of the trip, for me this was laughable, she went out like a light after a slow early gallop with something obviously more amiss than the sharper trip. Anyone who thinks she would've run her race with another four furlongs seems to have been watching a different race than I was.
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I never said I thought Tapestry should have won. I am saying she should not have run. AOB's own words were that the trip was too short but he wanted to support the meeting. He said the same about Magician in the Tattersall's Gold Cup about Magician. The going was totally against him but he wanted to support the Gr1 status of the race. How committed is the trainer to winning the race? Can you imagine any other trainer sacrificing a Gr1 horse simply to support a race or a meeting? Had Magician, Tapestry and Ruler of the World been trained anywhere else would their profile have been different? I think they would. And the same goes for Australia.
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Not sure I totally agree brigust,so many grade 1 events now most trainers try to avoid each other,they even pick their ground these days,I think they care less about the way the public receive this sort of racing,and they leave it to the breeders and ratings guys to best sell their product?
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Australia not in the Arc is a loss,A St Ledger winner going to the race with a live chance,especially if ground comes up soft,just about tells the true story of the race this year.
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That's OK MJ. The whole idea of a forum is to discuss diverse views.
Look at Tapestry. AOB said he got her all wrong for the 1000gns. She was favourite ffs and finished 17th of 17. Her stable companion was 11/1 and finished 14th. Perhaps I could add that Australia wasn't right for the 2000 Gns and nor was War Command. AOBs comments after the race were: Tapestry was not in good enough condition and should never have run in Sunday's 1,000 Guineas, trainer Aidan O'Brien admitted on Monday when reflecting on her disappointing display in the Newmarket Classic. He then ran her at Ascot where she clearly wasn't back. The Irish Oaks her saddle slipped and she won the Yorkshire Oaks beating Taghrooda. Could you name a trainer who would then bring her back to a mile 3 weeks after winning at York considering her fragile constitution? I suggest any other trainer would be seriously thinking about the Arc for which she has been entered. It's a similar story with the planning a running of Magician and Australia. I think most trainers would have won the Derby, then the Eclipse or/and the king George then the Arc. What we have is a horse whose best form is at 12f but all we hear is a mile and 10f. Did you see these amazing gears he has in the Juddmonte or Irish Champion Stakes? He could end up running in a weakened QE11 ffs. And, as you said, Kingston Hill could win the Arc. It doesn't make any sense. |
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Ducking the Arc with Australia would be cowardly in the extreme - it's the natural Autumn race for the Derby winner and always have been. If he won the Arc he'd be up there with STS and Mill Reef - win the Champion Stakes and he's another New Approach.
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yes brigust it does not make much sense,throw into that,TGG is also not going too the Arc? yet he is now more proven with hold up tactics than Kingston Hill(who did run a great race too early in the Derby)
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Just doing at little bit more race reading this morning,and you find Kingston Hill was most disappointing going right handed at Sandown in the eclipse,which would have to be major problem given he was held up that day and beat by older horses giving the WFA? now the picture becomes very dark.
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Cannock chase?
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Kingston Hill was most disappointing going right handed at Sandown
Why look beyond distance/ground for reasons? Course as a reason is very, very speculative imo. |
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Figgis
Mukhadram looks a 7 lb better horse going right handed,Kingston Hill ran a shocker in the eclipse,and to be honest I thought Australia was not great in the Irish Derby? |
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Excuse me figgis, those last comments intended for Sandown
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MJ
I wouldn't argue that course preference can be important but in the case of KH the trip and ground factors were huge imo. For me, it was the wrong race for him. Sandown is not a course where horses get unbalanced because there are no downhill streches (unlike Epsom) or ridges (unlike newmarket Rowley, Ripon) and the bend into the straight is not that sharp. I haven't looked at the video again but why don't you check out the Eclipse again to see if KH was changing his legs al ot or leading on the near fore instead of the off-fore which going right handed requires. As to the other examples you mention, I believe you are correct about Mukhadram and as to Australia again check it out. It hasn't occured to me that might be a problem. I just think that the horse has not lived up to the fanfare. |
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I wouldn't argue that course preference can be unimportant
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http://youtu.be/NCa1lhlK51M (Eclipse)
considering he is held up 7-9 off the pace the reaction was slow to pick up,but I do agree the trip well wrong. |
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http://youtu.be/D1OdO3JRMqQ (TERCENTENARY STAKES (GROUP 3) Cannock Chase)
Would this horse be out of place in a Arc?  |
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http://youtu.be/6MJ4hKqcj8I (Free Eagle)
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