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Good luck tomorrow Alfie.
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Thanks kincsem, I will look at a partial lay on Australia tomorrow, should try to make sure of a profit.
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On breeding Tarfasha could be a St.Leger horse.
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Not so sure about that sint.
Jock reported after that she would not want to go any further in dist. Her temperament needs to be kept in check as she did get buzzed up before the race & was getting very upset in the stalls just before the off. She needs to become more settled when at the races & keep all that energy for the race itself imo. A talented filly no doubt, but to edgy for her own gd, hopefully this experience will do her some gd & we see a calmer filly next time. |
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Ok cheers Miller. I was not aware of that.
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Marvellous ran well in 6th given she had a hard race 11 days previous, and from stall 2.
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^^^ she did run ok with all that in mind sint.
Did not fancy her myself after such a tough race in the Ire 1000gns on very soft ground, even more so the short time scale between races. She was not certain to stay on breeding either imo, 10f will be her trip imo. |
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I can't see the point in Taghrooda going to Ireland, surely they would wish to leave the door open for Tarfasha. The St
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U cant see the point??
It would make her a duel classic winner (Oaks) That would be a very gd reason imo. |
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Ireland and then York I would have thought.
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Stevie, what did you make of the performance of Tarfasha? Even though on the face of it it looks a good run to finish second I have it as a bit disappointing compared to her last run, as I don't have it as a great standard Oaks. I'm not saying she could've beaten the winner but as it was a substandard event I would've expected her to finish closer. I read she might be dropped in trip but I didn't see lack of stamina as an excuse. I'm just thinking she may need cut in the ground to show her best, as last year she was very disappointing against My Titania after winning well on softer ground at Galway. On the other hand it may just be the way the yard is performing in recent years, I find a lot of their runners put in below par efforts after a good one with no obvious warning signs beforehand.
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Dunno if you've read this Figgis but this is a good read:-
https://www.timeform.com/Racing/Articles/Sectional_Debrief_Special%2c_Epsom_Derby_Meeting_2014 |
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Yes I've seen that Grendel, I respect the work but don't always agree with the conclusions. I'm not sure I'd mark up the winner at all, although she did do it very nicely and I'd at least expect her to repeat the effort, which isn't always the case with some Oaks winners.
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Could have been the ground Figgis. I know the trainer was pleading for Good ground but if you look at her form Soft is no convenience at all.
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Yes, sint, at this stage I'm inclined to think it could be the ground, it was pretty fast on the Friday in spite of the description. I've not backed her in the past and maybe she'll just prove to be a bit inconsistent but I'd be prepared to chance her in future if she gets slower ground.
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Figgis, how does Grayswood in the 3.40 at Nottingham fare on your ratings compared to his rivals?
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Grendel, I just have him amongst the higher rated on his best but there are a few all on close marks at their best. I rarely bet in races further than 12f, apart from the higher grade stuff, unless I see a standout, generally these races are a no go area for me but other people probably do well in them.
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U cant see the point??
It would make her a duel classic winner (Oaks) That would be a very gd reason imo. So what is best, duel classic winner or two classic winners? Having said that,neither would be guaranteed. |
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Stevie, what did you make of the performance of Tarfasha? Even though on the face of it it looks a good run to finish second I have it as a bit disappointing compared to her last run, as I don't have it as a great standard Oaks
I think that Taghrooda was maybe a very good Oaks winner, she has travelled on the bit in all her races so far and would probably not be inconvenienced by a fast pace or longer distance,time will tell. I am not sure about Tarfasha, although if I owned the two of them she would be going to Ireland alone, with a reasonable chance of adding a classic win to her record. |
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Yes, wouldn't disagree that Taghrooda could do better given the manner of her win more than anything, I just wouldn't take it as a given, so if she's priced up like a very good Oaks winner I'll be looking to oppose.
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Granted gd or faster ground & The Oaks winner turns up for the Ire Oaks, I would fully expect her to land a second Oaks. She looks a cut above them to me.
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@Figgis -- what did you make of the performance of Tarfasha?
My first thought was that she did not act on the course but the replay shows clearly that Inchila twice knocked Tarfasha out of her stride between the 2 and 1 furlong poles. |
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U cant see the point??
It would make her a duel classic winner (Oaks) That would be a very gd reason imo. So what is best, duel classic winner or two classic winners? Having said that,neither would be guaranteed. Seems that Hamdan agrees with me. Sheikh Hamdan's racing manager Angus Gold told Press Association Sport: "Sheikh Hamdan has now decided that he would like to run Taghrooda in the King George at Ascot and therefore she will not be declared for the Irish Oaks. "Tarfasha will be declared for the Irish Oaks. |
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I don't think that Taghrooda winning the Irish Oaks would do as much for her reputation as being even placed in the King George - As I have said on another thread, once they knew that Tarfasha was fit and well and that there was a high chance of the Curragh ground remaining G/F, the Sheikh was only going to make one decision.
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