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By:
pedrobob
When: 27 Jul 13 11:53
BJT, you think Cirrus will will then?
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 12:02
Cirrus Des Aigles has only run twice with the word "firm" in the going description (from 38 runs).  RP says good/firm.
The rain needs to arrive and get into the ground.
By:
Millerracing67
When: 27 Jul 13 12:09
Its was g/f when he won in Dubai last year. He does prefer it on the easy side & is a better horse over 10f. Hope he wins 2day & think he will if at his best or near to it.
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 12:21

Jul 27, 2013 -- 7:02AM, kincsem wrote:


Cirrus Des Aigles has only run twice with the word "firm" in the going description (from 38 runs).  RP says good/firm.The rain needs to arrive and get into the ground.


Yeah and the going description is very accurate isn't it....  Frankel in the Queen Anne for instance ran QUEEN ANNE STAKES (BRITISH CHAMPIONS SERIES) (GROUP 1)
(Class 1) (4yo+) 1m Good To Soft

Even the ground was actually Good To Firm...

CDA handles the ground fine, or it won't run.  Simple as that.

pedrobob • July 27, 2013 12:53 PM BST
BJT, you think Cirrus will will then?


I think mine is a little easier to read the sarcasm than yours.  Especially due to my smiley. 

I certainly think it is a chance in this field, but wouldn't touch it at those odds.  2nd most overrated horse that I can ever recall.

By:
Figgis
When: 27 Jul 13 12:26
An overrated horse at under the odds, surely a lay then?
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 12:40
Yeah, just waiting to see if it goes lower before I pull the trigger.
Looking to lay CDA, and will be backing UNIVERSAL and EKTIHAAM.

Was on Trading Leather last start but just not enough there for me to back up again on it so sticking with those 3 plays...
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 13:00
Course    Ascot
Next Race    Saturday 27th July
Report Date    Saturday 27th July; 10:45 am
Going    Good to Firm (Good in places)
GoingStick    Standside: 8.6, Centre: 8.4, Farside: 8.4, Round: 8.0


Unless it dries up considerably over the next few hours, that is just Good.  No idea how they come to the conclusion of Good To Firm but based on the readings they are required to use for their description that is right on the money GOOD...
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 13:01
For the record, to back up my post at 1:21 PM BST

Report Date Tuesday 19th June; 8:30 am
Going Good to Soft
Going Stick Standside: 8.1, Centre: 8.3, Farside: 8.1, Round: 7.4

Course    Ascot
Next Race    Saturday 27th July
Report Date    Saturday 27th July; 10:45 am
Going    Good to Firm (Good in places)
GoingStick    Standside: 8.6, Centre: 8.4, Farside: 8.4, Round: 8.0
By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Jul 13 13:11
Ascot readings are misleading and dependent on vertidraining

As just proved the 1st race was .30 outside henrythenavigators track record
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 13:21
yes quick ground today and an 8mph wind behind them
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 13:33
although I dont make the ground as fast as it was on 2nd and 3rd day of royal ascot this year
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 13:36

Jul 27, 2013 -- 8:11AM, zilzal1 wrote:


Ascot readings are misleading and dependent on vertidrainingAs just proved the 1st race was .30 outside henrythenavigators track record


And how many 6f group races have they had on that straight course since the upgrade?

By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Jul 13 13:40
You'll have to ask Stickells how often they vertidrain, but you can get funny reading, thats from the horses mouth(or rather clerks)
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 13:41
yeah we used to get readings in the 10s ans 11s. think it was 10 odd when henrythenavigator won
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 13:55
The day HTN won, it was the slowest of the day though.  First time racing on the track, as every race set the course record.
We are talking about records of 5 years, where there is very very limited racing of Group quality on it.

For example, Miss Andretti ran the next race over 5F in 57.44.  So we are talking 1 extra furlong, and that taking 15 seconds to complete, in a sprint race.
The track was obviously fast that day, but to suggest that record means anything is a bit of a joke. 
Doesn't really matter what sort of uphill/downhill figures are relevant to that course, it is obvious that a fast run race would have netted a time closer to 1:11.

That being said, being .3 outside of the course record, where only a handful of statistics can be found, when the course record was run at least 1.5 seconds slower than it should have been certainly doesn't equate to a fast track.  Certainly not on that basis alone anyway.
By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Jul 13 14:12
Well its gone faster than this years RA 2yo winners, the Jubilee winner and the Wokingham winner for a start so id say it isnt good ground
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 14:15
Yes, but we are talking about the G1 race, which isn't run on the straight don't forget....
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 14:16
that hcap was 1m 37.78
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 14:17
that's a similar time to the britannia stakes this year so thats  very quick ground
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 14:20
The ground is hard to heavy. Laugh
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 14:20
Either way, have Galician and Trail Blaze running for me in that one, and got Yeager in the last.  Love
By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Jul 13 14:22
New track record for Galician as announced on channel 4
By:
Figgis
When: 27 Jul 13 14:24
Very fast ground judging by those times, it's possible that it's already quickened up after the first race. Round course is often, but not always, a bit slower, but would be surprised if it was any slower than good to firm judging by how quick the straight is.
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 14:26
Maybe the horses are quicker. Devil
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 14:55
very good performance from Novellist there. course record
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 14:56
2 secs quicker than harbinger. this is firm
By:
zilzal1
When: 27 Jul 13 14:56
Dont take any notice of readings at this gaffLaugh
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 14:56
I have it in my Tote Ten To Follow but not in real life.  Backed Trading Leather for small money.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 27 Jul 13 14:57
Hugely impressive - well done backers.
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 14:57
I will prove to you it is not firm. Plain
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 14:58
Trading Leather might have got closer had he not pulled hard early
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 14:58
GOING: GOOD TO FIRM (GOOD IN PLACES).
Must be true.
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 15:00
If it was a swimming pool the clerk would have good in the description.
Same for a concrete runway.
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 15:01
Trainer said that CDA had improved again since last run.  I actually believe it.

Novellist, beat him 4.5L last run in soft, and 6+ today. 

Any guesses as to rating?  Has to be pushing 155 for Novellist....  rotflmfao
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 15:04
Leave Frankel out of this.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 Jul 13 15:05
^I wouldn't have mentioned it if CDA had won. Grin
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 15:06
Frankel?

CDA is rated nearly 140?  This horse has gone back to back runs beating him total 11-12 lengths over slow and fast ground...

If he can do that to a horse that has apparantly improved and trained on, and rated around 140, then this must be the best we have seen...
By:
kincsem
When: 27 Jul 13 15:08
fast by 5.40. nice
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 27 Jul 13 15:10
I'll probably be going around 129/130 for the winner on my figures, I'm quite confident the 2nd and 3rd have run close to my previous figures for them. I'll do them later
By:
BJT
When: 27 Jul 13 15:15
Timeform will have it 150 minimum....  Have to...
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