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NEWMARKET (Updated: 16:38) Good to soft
(GoingStick: 6.9 (Stand Side 6.8; Centre 6.8; Far Side 7.0) on Friday at 15:30) Stalls: Stand Side Course Stalls: Qipco 2000 Guineas Centre Stalls: 12f Far Side Stalls: Remainder Stand Side The re-positioning of the bend has increased the distance of the 12f races by 12m. Dry overnight. Friday Largely dry but possible light afternoon showers 1-2mm. Saturday & Sunday Mainly dry 10C. |
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zilzal - sounds like your mood tomorrow night may be similar to mine although I'll probably be double handed in the Palace House with Temple Meads.
Interesting that according to the stick, low numbers will be best. Perhaps as someone else said, it's different as the course has had time to drain rather than it being overnight rain |
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It could be inconclusive to rely on the guineas though.
The stalls are stand side in the Palace House with probably two or three runners less, so whilst it may be feasible in the guineas to go far side with the stalls in the centre, its a bit longer to go over with less runners and a shorter distance. Then again these are jockeys we are talking about |
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Then again these are jockeys we are talking about
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The point that seems to be being missed is that there are no horses on the stands' side with a history of being in front early. Who is going to make a beeline for the stands' rail? If they do that, they'll have to lead. On the far side, we know Abtaal has shown his best form in front. Ptolemiac is also a front runner. Abtaal looks to have a huge advantage because of these factors. Someone tell me who's going to lead on the stands side?!
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The Pacemaker, aka Power
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Hermival @27 and Power @13 for me
 also think Saigon will out run his odds,and might back him to place in the 4th place market on here good luck all |
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Not read anything on this thread so apologies if i am repeating someone with this quote but isn't it worrying for Camelot takers onners that laddies have always been the shortest by miles on him for at least the last 2 months? Even now when he is 7/4-2/1 with all the other firms, they are just evs!
Wonder what they will go to at 8am, could be interesting as they must surely push him out to get any trade on it  I am one of them backing against him however, having backed the next 5 e/way in the market at 8s 9s 10s 10s and 12s, basically laying the fav and in the hope there is not a shock result. |
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There was a lot of instances in the last 2 years where Ladbrokes were shortest on APOB runners that ran shockers (or didn't run at all). They've been biggest about a few of his that have gone onto win too. So I think the notion that they know any more than anyone else when it comes to Ballydoyle runners is daft. The fact that they are shortest on Camelot and longest on Power means nothing. I've no opinion on either btw. Both good horses and wouldn't be at all shocked to see either romp home. From a value point of view, I'll go for French Fifteen myself. But just pointing out the Ladbrokes thing as I read posts form kincesm and SeaTheStars using the "Ladbrokes know" argument.
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ladbrokes know
fukk all |
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Can pass on good word from Ballydoyle re Power. I have been told to back it e/w
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Agree with Viva, they went longest SNA on Breeders Cup morning
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So whats the consensus of opinion of where they will go
All in 1 group up the middle split into 3 far middle & stand tack over to far tack over to stand split into 2 far & middle split into 2 middle & stand I will go for all up the middle altho I hope common sense prevails & the drawn 10 plus or so come stands side. |
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I could never understand McCririck giving Ladbrokes credit - "they knew" - for George Washington in the Guineas when the fact is they were longest about him at 6/1 after he'd won the Phoenix by eight lengths at two.
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Right the jobs done i'm on red Duke at 110 win and 20 place...
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No idea Geoff. After the debacle of the Cambridgeshire last year nothing would surprise me now.
Frenhc Fifteen seems to be weak on here at the moment, double the price of Abtaal. fwiw. |
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Bill Esdaile @BillEsdaile
Ground continues to dry out @NewmarketRace 11am Going Good to Soft GoingStick 7.1, Stand side: 7.0, Centre: 7.1, Far side: 7.2 |
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Cmon d low numbers
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Judging from the thread it looks like just about everyone will lose if Camelot goes and wins.
 French Fifteen 14/1 and Top Offer 16/1 my antepost bets with stakes savers on Born To Sea and Abtaal. Just hope the draw dosen't play too big a part. Good luck all. |
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just added Top offer @17,good luck all
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John Oxx has just walked the course at Newmarket and told Bruce Jackson: "It's not bad at all - what we call yielding. It's not a worry to us and we won't be making excuses because of it even though Born To Sea prefers it faster
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Ground not as bad for Top Offer as feared. I'm in.
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Great run by French Fifteen, no complaints with the result. Well done Camelot backers!
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Never good for me when the hot favourites win
French Fifteen ran a cracker and was clearly the 2nd best horse in the race - just wish I'd had some on the place. Camelot won comfortably in the end and the Derby looks his for the taking - though hopefully my long range fancy Bonfire (who was an unlucky 3rd to French Fifteen last year) may put it up to him. Was a good ride from Joseph as well so fair play to Coolmore. |
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Surely Hermival second best given where he was drawn?
Not many Camelot backers oh here which is fair enough as he was a short price. I wouldn't have backed him at 3/1 let alone 15/8. wd Mr Dinos with FF. |
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Camelot what a beast!! Can't believe so many were against him
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Agree with U unclepuncle, the two horses with the best turn of foot filled the first two places. A true run race with a true out come. Makes a nice change.
I don't know why they split into three groups, some of these jockeys are a joke!!! |
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After about half a mile Abtaal and the ones on the far side were hopelessly behind, maybe 6 lengths.
We will never know for sure, but my opinion is that Hermival lost because he was drawn low. |
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Cheers Sint, the EW money helped me out a bit, the win would have been better.
I'm not sure what French Fifteen has to do anymore! He wins the Criterium International but Bonfire should've won, he wins the Djebel but Abtaal shoud've won and now he comes a neck second to a horse that looks special and now Hermival is the one that should have finished second! I give up, I'm like a one man French Fifteen band. Haha |
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I like french fifteen too, but the draw did seem to do Hermival in pretty well.
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Hermival does come out with credit for sure but after watching the first two races I was amazed that Abtaal and Hermival's jockeys went that way.
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I'm only messing cryofruth, Hermival ran a great race and won his side well. I don't why the jocks went over there in the first place. I wouldn't follow Soumillon at Newmarket if my life depended on it, he's not great at this track IMO.
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Think those who raced on the far side raced on the faster ground and that hermival was possibly flattered to come
Third. Winning time suggested the ground was bordering on heavy, the winner clocking a 10 length slower time than Speciosa did over c/d in 2006 1,000 guineas. Quite a few appeared unable to cope with the conditions. For me Camelot and french fifteen where clearly the best 2 horses in the race on this ground. French Fifteen showed a great attitude but Camelot was just too strong but not by much. Abtaal probably didn't handle the ground and I didn't like his attitude and he won't be getting my money again. Trumpet major was given a strange ride but still ran well. Apart from believing the french form was good I totally mis-judged this race. Guess your intrepretation of the french form re Abtaal and French fifteen was right Mr Dinos, every credit. |
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Despite the slow winning time (or perhaps because of it, as it indicates that the ground was sticky/holding) I reckon that the likes of ABTAAL went off too fast and paid the penalty. The first two home came from some way back. I don't think the draw was a significant factor - it looked a level playing field (the COTC had previously told us that the ground was slightly faster on the far rail, but this was negated by the fact that most of the runners came centre to stand side), there was no obvious bias against the low-drawn horses. HERMIVAL was given a better ride than ABTAAL, that's for sure. I don't think it was a great Guineas, to be honest, but CAMELOT is clearly going to be a very interesting proposition in the Derby.
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They definitely went too quick for the ground conditions imo. Played into the hands of the first two.
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Agree with tinkler - the far side horses were probably flattered. Unless you think Coup de Ville and Ptolemaic are Classic horses, that is.
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having seen the race again I take back a bit of the stuff about Hermival; the far side was so far behind, if at all, so the first 2 were probably there on merit.
It was a horrid race with the filed splitting into 3 groups and the going was plenty dead enough after all the rain, making it a real test of stamina. No reason at all the crab the merit of the form of the first 3 home though. It will be interesting to see their progress through the season. Also interesting to see how a certain hooded brute progresses as well. |
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Hermival was 2 lengths in front of Camelot and French Fifteen with 2 to go.
Think the first two home would have won by 4/5 lengths had they raced on the far side |
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Oxx keeps faith in Born to Sea
Thursday, May 10, 2012 Trainer John Oxx will resist the temptation to bring Born To Sea back in distance after he finished 12th in the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket on Saturday. Famous more for being a half-brother to Sea The Stars, more than for his exploits on the track so far, he was beaten 10 lengths behind Camelot. He was not given a hard time by Johnny Murtagh in the hope there are better days to come. “The race was a bit of a non-event for him he just pulled too hard, even when the pace increased in the second furlong he still didn’t drop the bit,” said Oxx. “He basically took off for three and a half to three furlongs, and that was that. Johnny wasn’t hard on him after that so it was a non-event, I’m afraid. If he settles better in future I’m sure he’ll run a good race. “I think we’ll stick around the mile and if we do bring him back, it will only be by a furlong.” Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/oxx-keeps-faith-in-born-to-sea-550925.html#ixzz1uSlqY8g8 |