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Sorry yes was thinking low was stands side - keeping forgetting the change of stalls numbers
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A low draw is horrid elisjohn
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They usually use the far side course for the Craven meeting and the stands side course for the guineas, the Post havent given out the info about where the stalls are going to be but i suspect its the middle.
id suspect theyd come middle to stands, whos going to make the pace?? |
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NEWMARKET (Updated: 8:28) Soft
(GoingStick: 6.8 on Wednesday at 14:00) Stalls: Stand Side Course Stalls: Qipco 2000 Guineas Centre Stalls: 12f Far Side Stalls: Remainder Stand Side 25mm of overnight rain. Thursday Cloudy and breezy with patchy light rain at times 11C. Friday Largely dry but possible light afternoon showers 13C. Saturday & Sunday Mainly dry 10C. |
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Thursday, Friday, Saturday dry and it will be good ground. Fingers crossed.
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3 (14) Born To Sea (IRE) John M. Oxx, Ireland 9st 0lb Johnny Murtagh
8 (15) Fencing (USA) John Gosden 9st 0lb William Buick 9 (16) French Fifteen (FR) N. Clement, France 9st 0lb Olivier Peslier 11 (17) Power Aidan O'Brien, Ireland 9st 0lb Ryan Moore 18 (18) Trumpet Major (IRE) Richard Hannon 9st 0lb Richard Hughes Some serious jockeys on the high draws. |
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Might have to look at the Sprints then, wouldnt want to be too far away from the stand rails(famous last words
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When Special Duty won (and Speciosa) the ground had gone soft duty to heavy overnight rain and hadn't had
enough chance to drain away. By Saturday there's likely to be 2 full days of drainage. Also when special duty won there was a significant cross wind which if it hit those drawn low first would have been a disadvantage plus did it rain on watered ground. On Saturday there's due to be a cross wind that will hit those drawn high first and they could shield the low drawn runners. |
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JOSEPH O'BRIEN has admitted the soft conditions at Newmarket are a concern for Camelot as the colt bids to maintain his unbeaten record in Saturday's Qipco 2,000 Guineas.
"There has to be a question mark over the ground. It's an unknown and there's a lot of top of the ground in his pedigree. He's a good moving horse and he'll be a better horse on faster ground. "He's got plenty of boot, a high cruising speed and he's won a Racing Post Trophy, so I'm not too worried about the mile. He's come to hand and although it's his first run, he's ready for it." O'Brien told At The Races. |
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Born To Sea, a three-parts brother to Sea The Stars, is also on track for the 2,000 Guineas and his trainer John Oxx said: "He's made the expected progress from two to three and I'm happy with the way his preparation has gone.
"He was lame after the race at Leopardstown having torn a muscle, but hestill ran a good race. He has a good bit of ability, but we don't know how much. "He's an idle homeworker, he keeps plenty for himself and we are throwing him in at the deep end but it'll tell us a lot. He's going straight there,rather than having a prep, and I just hope that's the right decision. "He has the look of a miler, we'll take things one step at a time as he's only raced twice, but he's flexible with regards to the ground. I think he'll prefer a faster surface but I'd never pull him out because of the soft ground. He still has to prove he stays a mile." |
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Jean-Claude Rouget thinks Abtaal could finish in the first four in the QIPCO 2000 Guineas after pleasing him in his preparations.
Hamdan Al Maktoum's colt was narrowly beaten by Saturday rival French Fifteen on his seasonal return in the Prix Djebel at Maisons-Laffitte but the top trainer is expecting significant improvement ahead of his Newmarket bid. "He was not fit enough to win the Djebel and the trip was a bit short for him, but he has improved a lot from the race and that is why we decided to confirm Newmarket for him," Rouget told At The Races. "It is never easy to win the Guineas, but I think he has improved enough to be competitive and finish in the first four. Christophe Soumillon told me the horse would like the track at Newmarket." |
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Is anybody actually in Newmarket that can report on todays weather.
The report from the clerk of the course on the Racing Post website suggests that they weren't expecting any more rain (or very little) after this morning but I live about 45 miles west of New'Mkt in Northamptonshire and after a persistently drizzly and showery morning it has been raining really heavily all afternoon - heavier than much of the rain we had earlier this week. If this heavier rain has hit New'Mkt then I don't see the going being good to soft by Saturday. |
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I also forgot about the change in the way they do the draw - when I said you wanted middle to low - I meant high to low. I expect they will filter over to the stands rail - cue traffic problems in such a big field.
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Previously high draws (the new low) did well
I think only Sea teh Stars i recent years has come from a stand side (now High)draw |
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when I said you wanted middle to low - I meant high to low
Uncle - you're confusing me... |
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Unclepuncle, in Newmarket today it stopped raining at about 9.00 and there was a heavy shower for about fifteen minutes in the afternoon, but that was all.
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7 or 8 rated within a pound of each other
inexperienced jockey anecdotally 0% chance on breeding hasnt run for 6 months only had 2 races and never been in a battle and ladbrokes want us to believe they are doing us a favour by providing a service that allows us to back this 5/1 shot at evens. for future reference use this as an example of how people are morons that can be led like goats Laying the fav E/W GL all |
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So do we want a high or low draw? I'm very confused now!
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Recent history would indicate than when the ground is soft it is better to be stand side ie high numbers after the changes.
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If the Craven meeting (and other recent soft ground Guineas) is any guide then they will probably edge over to the stands side and the horse(s) who get over to to the stands rail in the last 2-3 furlongs may be hard to peg back. These days the high numbers are nearest the stands rail.
Hopefully they will stay bunched in the middle of the track and the best horse will win whatever the draw. |
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The only horses who have led in their last 4 starts are Ptolemiac and Abtaal drawn 1 and 2. Abtaal to have the run of the race up the middle of the track as the stands side horses get going too late?
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Pretty happy with the draw for French Fifteen. I just hope Peslier doesn't over do the tail end charlie routine because that will almost certainly hinder FF's chances on the soft ground. I think he will have to position FF in a more prominent position for this race, otherwise it could be a nightmare trying to find a gap with the field bunching up onto the stand side rail (high numbers).
It will be better for all if the race is run down the centre of track but somehow I think the jocks will be like a herd of sheep and head to the stand side! All the best with your bets, it's been a good read apart from a few dip sticks putting up some weird stuff recently. |
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Cool thx. I've backed Power. Has a good draw and his best form was on soft. He's versatile with his running style too. Ladbrokes are really looking to lay this one though. They're bigger than on here now.
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Born To Sea sails into the unknown
Oxx admits he's unsure of potential within Star's sibling By Niall Cronin herald.ie Thursday May 03 2012 It was three years to the day yesterday that John Oxx won the English 2,000 Guineas at Newmarket with the subsequently all-conquering Sea The Stars. He was a mildly fancied 8/1 shot on that occasion as Oxx proved just how capable he is at preparing one for the biggest of stages, and while it would be simply foolish of one to expect something similar to Sea The Stars this coming weekend, don't be surprised if Oxx can have a major say in the first Classic of the season. Born To Sea, who is, of course, a half-brother to the aforementioned Sea The Stars, will make his seasonal debut over Newmarket's Rowley Mile on Saturday afternoon and while he is the current second favourite for the race, the three-year-old's trainer feels he is going into the unknown. Oxx said: "Everything has gone very well with him and he's had a trouble-free run. He's enjoyed a good winter, hasn't missed any time at all since mid-December and he's as fit as we can have him for his first run." Born To Sea carries the same colours of Christopher Tsui as Sea The Stars did before him and the son of Invincible Spirit will be hoping to bounce back to winning ways after finishing second on his final start of last season. "It's always a toughish preparation to get a horse ready for a Classic at the beginning of May without giving them a prep race, but we decided against a trial run," Oxx revealed. "He's not experienced but is a pretty sharp sort of horse and doesn't seem to be very green. "He's as fit as we can get him and we think he's pretty ready." After opening his account on his debut at the Curragh last September, Born To Sea was then overturned when 8/11 favourite in the Group Three Killavullen Stakes at Leopardstown. Aidan O'Brien's Nephrite obliged on that occasion. However, the favourite was found to be lame post race by Oxx and there seemed a valid excuse for his narrow length-and-a-half defeat. The ground has dried out from soft to good to soft at Newmarket, but rain due could see it ease again, although that isn't a major concern for the master of Curraghbeg. "He's fairly adaptable ground wise, but he's a horse who's unproven and we don't know an awful lot about him yet," said O'Brien. "He's won over six furlongs so I supposed I'd have preferred fast ground rather than slow ground because he has to get the mile. We'd prefer it wasn't a real slog but will have to take whatever comes." Sea The Stars won over a mile, mile-and-a-quarter and mile-and-a-half in his three-year-old season. However, tilts at the Derby or the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe are unlikely for Born To Sea. "We don't look on him as a stayer. You don't see many of Invincible Spirit's stock winning races at longer than a mile or 10 furlongs. I don't think you've ever seen a good winner by him over a mile-and-a-half. "We look on him as a miler but to start the year off we'd have preferred a mile on better ground just to make sure he had a better chance of getting the trip. Long term I don't think a mile will be a problem." Oxx concluded: "We don't know what we have. We know he's a smart horse and has some of his brother's ability. We think he's capable of running a decent race but we don't actually know how good he is. We'll have to wait for the race to unfold to get some answers. "It looks a good 2000 Guineas, all the best horses are there, everyone is taking Camelot on. It will be a very competitive whatever wins will be a very good horse." - Niall Cronin |
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It's a horrible thought but ...
Power is 14/1 with Ladbrokes so they are in the know that he won't win. Power drawn 17, Camelot drawn 12. Camelot has stamina, probably not miler speed. Camelot hasn't run at Newmarket, Power has. Same owners for both horses. Ground will be good / good to soft. Camelot jockey 0 for 3 runs at Newmarket. They are going to use Power as a pacemaker for the Camel ot ... ... to make it a stamina test, to help the inexperienced horse, to help the inexperienced jockey.  |
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Ryan Moore on Power is encouraging.
Be surprised if he took the ride if it wasn't there to win bearing in mind Hannon runs 4... I know, I know, hacks up at odds on in Irish Guineas... |
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Moore isn't going to be taking pacemaking duties...
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Agree re the booking of Moore.
Usually when AOB wants a ''treat softly'' ride he books Pat Smullen or uses one of his stable jocks. |
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I think alot depends draw wise whether they race as a group up the middle or the high drawn take the initiative & tack over to the stands side rail which im convinced when they race right up the stands rail(and not the false stands side rail they have up the middle for most of other meetings) is a distinct advantage.
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I can see Power powering past Trumpet Major to win the 2000 Guineas, with maybe the French colts fighting out third with Casper Thingy-me-bob.
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depending on the draw id be having my finger on the bet button for the palace house
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Aidan O'Brien insists he has not "forced" Camelot to be ready in time for the Qipco 2000 Guineas at Newmarket on Saturday.
The eclipse of St Nicholas Abbey in the race two years ago is still a raw memory for the Ballydoyle team and they admit it took him a good year to get over those exertions. With Camelot by the same sire in Montjeu, and having followed the Racing Post Trophy route, comparison has been drawn, but while O'Brien was reluctant to commit the unbeaten colt to the Classic until only recently, the last few weeks have seen him discuss his chances in a far more bullish mode. "He's never run in a big field, but he's a straightforward horse and a relaxed horse at home. Obviously the bigger the field the more dangers there are, but I don't think it's going to be a problem," O'Brien told British Champions Series TV. "If the horse wasn't going to be ready for the Guineas we didn't want to be forcing him so we were letting him tell us. He's been coming along nicely and everything has gone smoothly so far. I'd imagine so (he'll get further). His two runs were over a mile last year and we're using this as a start-off race." Camelot will be ridden by O'Brien's son, Joseph, who is looking for his first British Classic. "It's going to be his first run of the year so he should improve from it, but he's been doing everything nicely. He won very impressively at Doncaster and was in control all the way. He's a very uncomplicated horse, he takes no work at home. He's very easy to ride - he has it all," said O'Brien jnr. The Ballydoyle team also have a strong second string to their bow in Power, seen by many as an unlucky loser in the Dewhurst on his last start at two. "He started off at six furlongs and went up to seven. He hasn't run over a mile yet, so he's a little bit different to Camelot," said the handler . "He's well and he's a big, hardy horse. I don't think a mile will be a problem, but he's a horse who shows plenty of early speed in his work, so I'm not sure how much further than a mile he'll get. In his races he has a lazy way of racing and comes home well, so it will be interesting." |
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By Richard Forristal independent.ie
Friday May 04 2012 With heavy rain rendering the official going as soft at Newmarket, varying degrees of caution are emanating from the two Irish camps with runners in tomorrow's 2,000 Guineas. Officials at the course remain confident that the Qipco-sponsored first Classic of the year will be run on good to soft ground, but Jim Bolger elected not to declare his Dewhurst victor Parish Hall for the Group One yesterday, while Joseph O'Brien and John Oxx admitted that their respective contenders would be happier on a drier surface. O'Brien will be aboard Camelot for his father Aidan, and the Doncaster Group One winner's odds at the head of the market drifted a mite to 7/4 after his teenage rider expressed his concerns. "I have to have a question mark over the ground," the dual champion apprentice admitted of Camelot. "He's a very good moving horse and won both starts last year on good ground. The ground at the weekend is an unknown, but we won't know until he goes and does it." Being by the recently deceased Montjeu, most of whose offspring cope well in slow conditions, O'Brien's fears may prove unfounded. Indeed, when you take into account the dismal record of the sire's better progeny over a mile, conditions might well help Camelot. Oxx also suggested that Born To Sea would prefer better going, but he doesn't see it as a serious issue for what will be just his third runner in the Newmarket feature. "He still has to prove he stays a mile and I'm not sure he'd want a slog," Oxx reported of Johnny Murtagh's mount, "but the ground as such, I don't think it's a big worry." Parish Hall was the notable absentee when a final field of 18 was unveiled for the race yesterday. Ballydoyle's Power, with Ryan Moore up, is the only other Irish-trained runner. The Rosegreen team also has the favourite for Sunday's 1,000 Guineas in the unbeaten Maybe, and O'Brien, who won three times on the Galileo filly last year, suggested that he didn't "see the ground being a major issue". Ger Lyons' Lightening Pearl could yet miss the fillies' showpiece because of the ground, but a decision may not be made until tomorrow. Oxx also revealed that his Epsom Derby hope Akeed Mofeed -- which met with a setback recently -- is an intended runner in the Derrinstown Trial at Leopardstown on Sunday week, though he added: "He would certainly want another week, but if we can get him there fit enough to run a good race we'd be hoping to run. I think he has to run at Leopardstown if he's going to run in the Derby, so we'll see how the next 10 days go." - Richard Forristal |
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Newmarket's ground has turned soft again after substantial overnight rain.
The track had dried up to good to soft on Wednesday but 25 millimetres of rain has seen conditions ease again. Declarations for the first Classic of the season, Saturday's Qipco 2000 Guineas, have been made today, with the 1000 Guineas run on Sunday. |
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Weather for Newmarket 12pm
Friday 04 May 2012 2day forecast Today Light rain Temperature: 4 C to 9 C Wind Speed: 14 mph Wind direction: North Tomorrow Cloudy Temperature: 2 C to 9 C Wind Speed: 18 mph Wind direction: North east |
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Any thoughts on Noseda's Talwar following the supplementation. Will love the testing ground surely?
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La combinaison des prévisions des trois premiers chevaux de la djebel prix mon ami
Spanish Duke in the opener, Meandre/Fiorente sfc and ill be watching the guineas in whoevers firm is biggest about My fav Jam song in the Palace House re the draw  |
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Down in The Tube Station at Midnight?
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That wun wasnt allowed, too many letters
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Wonder if MOORE will have his usual snooze in the stalls?
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