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By:
Goth 83
When: 24 Nov 10 19:46
sintonian - this may interest you

http://www.narrowing-the-field.com/2010/11/lucinda-scu-and-ntf-silver-ready-to.html
By:
MrDinos
When: 24 Nov 10 23:28
I'm with Sint and had a dabble at 25-1 on Silver By Nature, I like this horse a lot!!!! He did me proud last season, he jumps and gallops and will be finishing the race better than most. He does want soft or heavy ground but I think it could be tacky, stamina sapping ground and the likely strong pace will play to his strenghts. Silver doesn't mind running in big fields either!!!

I love Denman to bits but the extra weight and a year older (stats) might go against him this time, I will probably change my mind on the day though when I see him!!!
By:
sintonian
When: 24 Nov 10 23:30
thanks Goth.
By:
sintonian
When: 24 Nov 10 23:31
Not sure Newbury is due to get any rain.
By:
MrDinos
When: 24 Nov 10 23:36
That's the only negative, he has got a good E/W chance! I would be very confident if the heavens opened!!! There are question marks about some of the shorter priced ones as well!
By:
Masterminded
When: 25 Nov 10 00:17
It's great to see so many people giving an argument for each horse. It's not very often you get a race like this where most think their horse has a decent chance of winning. Roll on Saturday and PANDORAMANIA
By:
revedesivola
When: 25 Nov 10 00:29
denners will go off strong fav imo as hes an old favourite and all sorts of mugs will latch on
By:
revedesivola
When: 25 Nov 10 01:18
def worth opposing though imo, but on the day at a shorter price. won one of last 7 races and no real explanation for hangin so bad at punchestown
By:
Brooksielad
When: 25 Nov 10 10:53
Does anyone else think the way Nicholls has targeted the race this year suggests he doesn't think Denman can with off his mark. He has 1/4 of the field :) Really gutted CHINA ROCK isn't running because i thought 25/1 was massive. All aboard the TARANIS now i think.
By:
Stake & Chips
When: 25 Nov 10 11:17
Is CR running now? [:x]
By:
Brooksielad
When: 25 Nov 10 11:26
I hope so i had a stupid bet at 1000/1 just incase he's full of beans this morning and they decide to jet him over.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 25 Nov 10 11:57
CHINA ROCK, who had earlier in the week been reported to be a non-runner for Saturday's Hennessy Gold Cup, was a surprise name among the 19 declared for Saturday's big chase.

Trainer Mouse Morris had said on Wednesday that the seven-year-old, who had been as short as 14-1 for the race, would not run but his name appeared on the final list of declarations on Thursday morning.

A decision will be made on his participation later on Thursday by Morris, who said: "He's not too bad this [Thursday] morning so I've declared him and will make up my mind at 5pm this evening whether he runs or not."

While there was a surprise name among those who were present, there wereno shocks among the absentees with all the big guns taking their chance.
By:
Extreme Conviction
When: 25 Nov 10 11:58
5050 according to sky sports website...

China Rock could face Denman in Saturday's Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury.

Mouse Morris said on Wednesday that the seven-year-old was not firing on all cylinders and would not be travelling across from Ireland.

However the trainer has left him in the race at the final declaration stage after signs of improvement over the last 24 hours.

"I declared him just to see what would happen, but at the minute it's 50-50 he'll run," said the County Tipperary handler.

"It's only a minor problem and he's improved since Wednesday, but we're still undecided if he'll actually run or not."
By:
Iloveliamslips
When: 25 Nov 10 12:10
MM = LEGEND Laugh War of attrition all over again, wise move brooksie [smiley:crazy]
By:
sintonian
When: 25 Nov 10 12:50
IF he runs makesure everyone backs him imo.

Apparently Geraghty now rides Richard Burton and Dickie Johnson would be on China.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 25 Nov 10 16:19
Out aparently oh well :)
By:
buddeliea
When: 25 Nov 10 18:31
Dont have a strong fancy at all on the more fancied runners.Will wait till Sat morning and have a look at the bigger prices,and probably spread a few bob on 3 or 4 of them.Looks the sort of race wher if you aint careful could lose a lot of money,too tricky imo.
By:
zilzal1
When: 25 Nov 10 18:36
Will it even be on, getting pretty cold down here in Berks.

Might have a look at the Kempton card instead
By:
Luke01
When: 25 Nov 10 18:53
Weird Al beats Neptunes collenges , with Denman 3rd.
By:
Big Bucks John
When: 25 Nov 10 18:58
MADISON DU BERLAIS[;)] won the race 2 years ago so you know he stays and loves the track, has beat Denman a couple of times before once by 23lengths and Denman is giving him two stone on saturday, bearing in mind also That Madison has had a nice prep run a ...month ago whereas Denman's first run for 200 odd days. Pipes horses in fair form and is his only horse in the race, there are a lot less proven, and less experienced horses at shorter prices.

Value bet of the Jumps season so far (prob on a par with Monet's Garden the other week)
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By:
revedesivola
When: 25 Nov 10 19:00
Laugh
By:
Albion Dan
When: 25 Nov 10 19:04
I really liked Weird Al, and also had a fancy for Big Fella Thanks, however I am willing to let those win now, as at the prices I have to back NEPTUNE COLLONGES. 20/1 is surely each way value. There are question marks over many in the field, do they have the ability to run to marks capable of being competitive in a gold cup, we know for a fact Neptune is (or was) capable of running to about 175. Off 164, and with only 10 8 on his back, if anywhere near his best he has to have a massive chance.  The lay off is obviously a negative, but Nicholls is very capable of readying one after a long absence, and i know it cant be used as a general rule, but horses often run career bests off a long break (taranis, gauvain for example) so at the odds i am more than willing to take the risk.
By:
resner not lesnar
When: 25 Nov 10 19:37
Dan , Neptune Collonges if anywhere near his best will be tough to beat. Was my original fancy before deciding on MDB. Eventually decided against him as he doesn't have a good record first time up, and as you say the injury is a worry. Certainly a very backable price now though
By:
Albion Dan
When: 25 Nov 10 19:51
Resnar, I did also look at his record first time out, and it does appear he strips a lot fitter for his debut outing of the season, however he has run some decent races fto.  2nd to our vic when a 5 year old, and more recently he was holding every chance over in ireland before tipping up 2 out, with exotic dancer in behind. I dont think ED would be 20/1 for this race off this mark.  Also, I think the long term layoff is a bit different to seasonal debut. Often with a fit horse they will have long term targets throughout the season so will have some work left in them, whereas Hales has stated they are wary of the bounce factor, hence going for a big prize first time up.  This leads me to think he will be raring to go.  I obviously may be wrong, and he may not be 100%, but as i say, the odds are appealing enough to take a chance.
By:
booster
When: 25 Nov 10 20:36
Diamond Harry has always been my number one for this but I'd have liked to see some rain and am starting to have doubts. The one I like on goodish ground is Taranis, now a 9 year old but has had only 7 runs in 4 years, winning 2 Grade 1s (1 at Cheltenham as a 6 year old) and who proved he can go well fresh when winning at Cheltenham in January in the process proving his stamina. As a 5 year old, he fell 2 out in the Paddy Power when lying 2 lengths second and in front of Exotic Dancer to whom he was conceding 8lbs as a then 5 year old. His next run was in The **** when he finished a 5 length 3rd to Exotic Dancer off levels on ground which may have been too soft but Nicholls always said he'd save him for the Ryanair and he'd improve for better ground. He'll never again get the chance to run off 10st 4lbs and all his runs point to him being top class.
By:
brendrew
When: 25 Nov 10 20:40
Agree with Madison 3/4 on course-only defeat when 4th in this race?

Also Dream Alliance at 50/1 e/w-but 113/1 on bfair.Too good to be true.

Finished 2nd to Denman a couple of years back-won the Welsh National.Good e/w poke.
By:
marvinho
When: 25 Nov 10 20:45
Agree Dream Alliance is a ridiculous price. Could do with a bit more rain but can certainly out run his mark with a 5lb claimer on board.  This looks very competitive but he will definitely stay and Hobbs is in as good form as I can recall in recent years.  100/1+ is an insult imo
By:
JOCI Club
When: 25 Nov 10 20:57
Madison looked to be going backwards last season - not to be trusted.
By:
flannybhoy.
When: 25 Nov 10 21:34
Hi all any idea what happens if race is off due to weather , im hoping not went for a 1-2 , Silver By Nature and Niche Market . Thanks in advance for replies
By:
Scottyh22
When: 25 Nov 10 22:03
geraghty to do 10st to ride burton port, im happy!
By:
revedesivola
When: 25 Nov 10 22:07
not worried about him being weak and light headed?
By:
FCH
When: 25 Nov 10 22:36
Dream Alliance - an unbiased view [;)](as some of you here know I have a small share in him).

His last three completed chases, spread over 3 1/2 years, are 1st in the Perth Festival Handicap, 2nd in the Hennessey, 1st Welsh National.  As you can see from his record he's either brilliant or doesn't complete.  Therefore, I am hoping that even at nine he may still be unexposed to some extent.  If he is on a going day he won't be far away.  Philip Hobbs has always maintained that good ground is fine and on paper his best performance over hurdles was on going the fast side of good at the Festival.  I make him more of a 25/1 shot than 100/1.

On Saturday he will run off his correct weight, admittedly with a claimer on board, and his sequence of runs at Newbury to date is 4th, 3rd, 2nd.  I am hoping for the sequence to continue, although, of course, there are a number of potential improvers in the field.

If our guy doesn't win then lets hope its the mighty Denman, but from a mark of 182 its going to be some ask for him, but wouldn't it be great for racing.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 25 Nov 10 22:47
Good luck FCH.

Cannot wait for this race now, absolutely buzzing.

Come on Weird Al!!
By:
Masterminded
When: 25 Nov 10 23:33
I have looked at the ratings, the weights, the likely going and all manner of things but have instead devised a mathematical sum to reveal the winner of the big one on saturday..




















Carberry+Pandorama=Hennessey Cool
By:
sintonian
When: 26 Nov 10 10:20
thought Dream Alliance would be prepping for the National ?
By:
Thommos_Lovechild
When: 26 Nov 10 20:02
Is Geraghty sawing a leg off to make the weight on BP?
By:
revedesivola
When: 26 Nov 10 20:04
Laugh id say hes goin to be leight headed and proper woosey anyhow
By:
Thommos_Lovechild
When: 26 Nov 10 20:12
thought 10st 4 was his lowest riding weight!! Anyway, have taken the hint and backed him!!Laugh[;)]
By:
revedesivola
When: 26 Nov 10 20:14
sure is. hes goin t have to dehydrate himself
By:
revedesivola
When: 26 Nov 10 20:14
... plus a bit of wasting
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